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PostSubject: Help for choose   Fri 20 Aug 2010, 22:09

Im lv11 and i get lv12 but i don't know what to choose

I have low hp
Vie 65(I have bear)

Force 18

Agilité 2

Rapidité 9

My rank is : Âme de Berserk

I have herculean strengh that why i need you help , what u should choose
3 force or Gros bras
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PostSubject: Re: Help for choose   Fri 20 Aug 2010, 22:18

do you have stone hammer or flail or Morning star???? if yes take Gros bras
otherwise 3 str

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PostSubject: Re: Help for choose   Fri 20 Aug 2010, 22:22

i have flail , ok i will choose it :).
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PostSubject: Re: Help for choose   Fri 20 Aug 2010, 22:25

hate gros bras. I know xteen did a study on it, and he figured out that it actually does do something, but I have never seen it make any discernable difference in a fight. better off not choosing it next time unless it leads to something great in the next couple levels. It's a throw-away skill like ballerines only maybe with less uses.
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PostSubject: Re: Help for choose   Fri 20 Aug 2010, 22:44

Strong Arm does not need testing at all it simply increase the damage and the speed of heavy weapons to 30 % and increases the chance for Multiple hits with heavy weapons like MorningStar and Flail and stone hammer which is deadly for Opponents even if they have increavable
so it is useless if the brute does not have these 3 weapons , but very Powerfull if you have one of them . and in this case my favorite weapon FLAIL. so with str of 18 the damage with Flail would be at least 75-105... maybe more Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Help for choose   Fri 20 Aug 2010, 22:49

ricotamanora wrote:
Strong Arm does not need testing at all it simply increase the damage and the speed of heavy weapons to 30 % and increases the chance for Multiple hits with heavy weapons like MorningStar and Flail and stone hammer which is deadly for Opponents even if they have increavable
so it is useless if the brute does not have these 3 weapons , but very Powerfull if you have one of them . and in this case my favorite weapon FLAIL. so with str of 18 the damage with Flail would be at least 75-105...

sorry, it may work that way in .com, but it doesn't do that in muxxu
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PostSubject: Re: Help for choose   Fri 20 Aug 2010, 22:49

I think it also increases the chances of holding on to the weapon.

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PostSubject: Re: Help for choose   Fri 20 Aug 2010, 22:55

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I think it also increases the chances of holding on to the weapon.
^maybe this, (at least that is what the discription says) and the +30% speed (init) bonus to heavy weapons is what it does in muxxu.

no damage bonus, no multi hit bonus. if it had either of these, it would certainly be a great skill. but it doesn't, so it isn't
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PostSubject: Re: Help for choose   Fri 20 Aug 2010, 22:59

So i do a bad choose?
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PostSubject: Re: Help for choose   Fri 20 Aug 2010, 23:11

no not bad, the choices are about equal. you have the right weapon for gros bras at least.
i just think it is a dumb skill


30% speed bonus is almost meaningless. If you have hammer and gros bras and your opponent has knife... he will attack you twice in a row even with 30% speed bonus. If both you and your opponent have hammer out... you will attack him 5 times for his 4 times... I guess that could win you the fight, but there are much better skills.

Hanging on to your heavy weapon is ok if you are a low str. brute.
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PostSubject: Re: Help for choose   Fri 20 Aug 2010, 23:34

i am talking about Strong arm in muxxu not mybrute.
too bad i can not show you my brute who had MornigStar and Strong Arm and the damage indeed increases to 30 % in muxxu and he mostly attacked 3 hits in every attack which is 30 % more speed added to the usualy slow heavy weapons and one more hit with the flail is everything in muxxu.
and btw in Mybrute.com it increases the damage to 50-100 % so yes there is a diffrent but still not bad skill to have with flail...

S4nt0S could you plz Post some of your trainnig fights to show all how the flail works after choosing strong Arm!!!
with str 18 the damage of the Flail should be between 65 - 85 without gros bras.
i am gessing it will go up to 110 with gros bras if i am not wrong Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Help for choose   Sat 21 Aug 2010, 11:11

hey rico are u still playing muxxu?
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PostSubject: Re: Help for choose   Sat 21 Aug 2010, 11:27

rico you are totally wrong
strong arm doesn't work like you think it does in muxxu

here is a guy with 7 str, mace and strong arm who does 22 dmg
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/68948933?chk=2877

guy with 6 str, strong arm but no gros bras who does the same damage
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/68962447?chk=60b7

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PostSubject: Re: Help for choose   Sat 21 Aug 2010, 14:54

grizzlism wrote:
rico you are totally wrong
strong arm doesn't work like you think it does in muxxu

here is a guy with 7 str, mace and strong arm who does 22 dmg
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/68948933?chk=2877

guy with 6 str, strong arm but no gros bras who does the same damage
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/68962447?chk=60b7

grizz i have tested almost every possible thing in muxxu. and if you came up with this example your self alone, then you might have to rethink what you know in muxxu.
in the first fight the Opponnet that got hit with "MorningStar" + "Stong Arm" had "squelette Plomp" which does exactly the Oppisite of Gros bras which is "reduce the damage of heavy weapons up to 30 %" and Gros bras "increase the damage of heavy weapons to 30%" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and in the second fight the damage 20 gives us no information what so ever about the real damage with "6 str" and "Morning Star" without "Strong Arm because the Opponent had increavable which in 99 devided to 5 = 20 hp

so i dont think i forgot all what i know in muxxu so fast, but i am only glad to share what i know Very Happy
and plz dont understand me wrong . i am not trying to proof you wrong. i just tested all these stuf.
maybe because i was so obsessed that much so they blocked me lol!

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PostSubject: Re: Help for choose   Sat 21 Aug 2010, 18:12

Rico wrote:
.muxxu.com/fight/68962447?chk=60b7


in the first fight the Opponnet that got hit with "MorningStar" + "Stong Arm" had "squelette Plomp" which does exactly the Oppisite of Gros bras which is "reduce the damage of heavy weapons up to 30 %" and Gros bras "increase the damage of heavy weapons to 30%" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is a good point, I did not see he had squellette plomb. It does not prove that the damage was increased by strong arm however, just that the damage was reduced from whatever it normally is.

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and in the second fight the damage 20 gives us no information what so ever about the real damage with "6 str" and "Morning Star" without "Strong Arm because the Opponent had increavable which in 99 devided to 5 = 20 hp
This makes no difference to what we are discussing here because it proved that the dmg was at least 20 even without strong arm.

I wish I had more fights to see the difference, but I dont. I will keep my eye open.
-> also how are you even watching the fights lol
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PostSubject: Re: Help for choose   Sat 21 Aug 2010, 19:52

i just can watch dont ask me how Razz otherwise i will get in troubles...
look at this Mornigstar damages they are so unpredictable scratch
strength 2 and damage 18-21-26 and the opponent damage the first one with strength of 10 and Extrathickskin with 25 so i think Morningstar is somehow not a good testing weapon.
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/69065956?chk=3fa9
the flail on the other hand is great testing weapon. i am still waiting for some fights from S4nt0S . i want to see the flail +Strong Arm in action :cherry:

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PostSubject: Re: Help for choose   Sat 21 Aug 2010, 20:06

hmm you have another good point
lol i will keep my eyes peeled
and cross fingers santos posts some more fights
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PostSubject: Re: Help for choose   Tue 24 Aug 2010, 16:18

http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/69987712?chk=75da
There a fight rico.
And there other:
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/70035844?chk=a1f6
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PostSubject: Re: Help for choose   Tue 24 Aug 2010, 17:37

Interesting. I think what grizz is trying to say is that 1) there's no damage increase in mybrute.com and 2) the description in muxxu doesn't mention any strength increase. But clearly mitkothebear is hitting a little bit stronger with it than without it. His hits in fight 1 are not 30% bigger, but average out at 21%. That might just be the natural variation in damage caused by the flail, though, with so little data it's hard to tell. More fights! More data!

In general, though, this is a good situation for gros-bras and it's the right pick. It helps out with 2/3 of your weapons and will make you just as fast with those as you are with the glaive -- and with frappe eclair, that's pretty fast. It might not increase your damage, and it might not make you harder to hit, but the more often you're on offense, the better you'll do.
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PostSubject: Re: Help for choose   Tue 24 Aug 2010, 23:49

S4nt0S wrote:
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/69987712?chk=75da
There a fight rico.
And there other:
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/70035844?chk=a1f6

18 str vs brute with no defensive skills, damage (with gros bras) is
61 and 72

18 str vs brute with Squellette plomb (-30% dmg), damage is
57 and 48

so at least we know that squellette plomb works :)

now to find a brute with 18 str, flail, and no gros bras
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PostSubject: Re: Help for choose   Wed 25 Aug 2010, 01:09

oh hey check it out one of my flail brutes got gros bras today

Here goes!!!


[No gros bras ]
vs (thick skin) 42 dmg http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/70489263?chk=7e5e

vs (thick skin) 51 dmg http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/70489265?chk=4cd9

vs (nothing) 57, 55, 49, 45, 54, 55 dmg http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/70489267?chk=f874

vs (nothing) 52, 53 dmg http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/70489259?chk=f2c9




[Now with gros bras!!!]
vs (thick skin) 51 dmg http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/70490787?chk=dd9c

vs (thick skin) 40, 56 dmg http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/70491124?chk=052a

vs (thick skin) 45, 55, 51 dmg http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/70491341?chk=38d8

52 41 43 45 dmg http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/70491964?chk=7e82



So is that clear enough for you??? Gros bras does not increase damage. You owe me a beer for making me pick a crap skill just to prove you wrong lol :!: drunken :!:

I don't know for sure what gros bras does exactly, but it sure as hell isn't very useful
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PostSubject: Re: Help for choose   Wed 25 Aug 2010, 01:19

maybe flail isn't affected my gros bras?

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PostSubject: Re: Help for choose   Wed 25 Aug 2010, 01:46

oh lord...

strong arm supposedly affects all "heavy weapons"
rico said it affects not heavy weapons but "blunt weapons" -> flail, mace, club, hammer

Flail is both of these types, and every single guide I've seen so far says that it is affected by strong arm

but i can also tell you for sure that the epee's damage isn't increased by gros bras, because I have a brute with both and there is also no difference in dmg

french wiki was updated since I looked at it last, this is what it says about gros bras:
http://www.twinpedia.com/muxxu/labrute/competences
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Thanks to your great arm, you manipulate the heavy weapons as easily as a microphone. You're the Philip Risoli of the club.

-25% Interval between rounds of heavy weapons
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PostSubject: Re: Help for choose   Wed 25 Aug 2010, 04:00

grizzlism wrote:
oh hey check it out one of my flail brutes got gros bras today
Here goes!!!
[No gros bras ]
vs (thick skin) 42 dmg http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/70489263?chk=7e5e
vs (thick skin) 51 dmg http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/70489265?chk=4cd9
vs (nothing) 57, 55, 49, 45, 54, 55 dmg http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/70489267?chk=f874
vs (nothing) 52, 53 dmg http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/70489259?chk=f2c9

[Now with gros bras!!!]
vs (thick skin) 51 dmg http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/70490787?chk=dd9c
vs (thick skin) 40, 56 dmg http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/70491124?chk=052a
vs (thick skin) 45, 55, 51 dmg http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/70491341?chk=38d8
52 41 43 45 dmg http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/70491964?chk=7e82

So is that clear enough for you??? Gros bras does not increase damage. You owe me a beer for making me pick a crap skill just to prove you wrong lol :!: drunken :!:

I don't know for sure what gros bras does exactly, but it sure as hell isn't very useful

all right.thanks for the Proofand i am very sorry for the false assumption. but i am not sorry for you about picking it because it gave us all this knowledge and i do not believe you took it instead of a path with bear because of proofing me wrong right?? Razz you took it because you were as curious as i am. no but now seriosly sorry about that.
and as i wrote befor i tested the gros bras only with MorningStar and you saw in my last post above how the damage of MorningStar vary even with diffrent strength. and that gave me tha assumption that Gros bras increase the damage of heavy weapons as in Mybrute. And i am sure it does somthing to the Heavy weapons. but now i have no idea what the hell it does Sad
But now i am kind of curious. what did the Info said about Gros bras when you choose it???
did it say anything more that what the french forum said???

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Thanks to your great arm, you manipulate the heavy weapons as easily as a microphone. You're the Philip Risoli of the club.
-25% Interval between rounds of heavy weapons

And by the way i do not consider EPEE as a heavy Weapon. As far as i know only Master of Arm increase the Damage of EPEE (long sword). (sharp weapon) :idea:

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PostSubject: Re: Help for choose   Wed 25 Aug 2010, 04:36

there is also something that makes me wonder what is going on with the Flail and the strength of a brute.
in your fights with strength of 7 you got these damages:
grizzlism wrote:

[No gros bras ]
vs (thick skin) 46 dmg http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/70489263?chk=7e5e

vs (thick skin) 51 dmg http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/70489265?chk=4cd9

vs (nothing) 57, 55, 49, 45, 54, 55 dmg http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/70489267?chk=f874

vs (nothing) 52, 53 dmg http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/70489259?chk=f2c9

[Now with gros bras!!!]
vs (thick skin) 51 dmg http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/70490787?chk=dd9c

vs (thick skin) 40, 56 dmg http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/70491124?chk=052a

vs (thick skin) 45, 55, 51 dmg http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/70491341?chk=38d8

52 41 43 45 dmg http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/70491964?chk=7e82

and now look in these fights with Flail without gros bras and with strength 16:
vs (thick skin) 56, 47 http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/68975430?chk=5819
the damages are very similar to those with strength of 7 which make me wonder how the hell can we test if there is diffrent between them
and now the damage with strength 21 . starting from str 21 we can see that the damage is clearly bigger
vs (thick skin) 64 , 68, 74, 84 http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/70480096?chk=cbdd
vs (thick skin + squelette plomb ) 56, 45, 46 http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/70476842?chk=e060

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