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PostSubject: Shuriken   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 11:31

I was checking some fights and I found this:

http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/74899927?chk=5006

Look at PunchDrunk, he does 12-13 damage with shuriken with only 7 strength!!!
So, shuriken is either affected by martial arts or by agility.
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PostSubject: Re: Shuriken   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 12:56

good Question scratch
as far as i remember my Trojana had Material Arts http://labrute.muxxu.com/b/206536 (could someone Spy to confirm ) and shuricken and 22 Strength and her highest damage with Ninja was from 12 to 15 so it could be the high Agility or that the Opponent of punchdrunk just sux so bad that his defense is going in Negative Direction... Razz no Armure , or Extra Thick Skin...

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PostSubject: Re: Shuriken   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 13:12

holy shit dude thank you for noticing this

look my brute has 18 str and Martial arts and shuriken: the damage isn't near as high
(opponent has peau reinforce, but that doesn't explain it at all)
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/75613161?chk=7b41

I think shuriken damage is affected by agility O_O
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PostSubject: Re: Shuriken   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 13:14

That makes sense, ninjas usually are very agile.

and, shuriken goes thru armure and peau renforcee

http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/75540877?chk=a321 25 force and 6 damage (on dog!) and that guy with 7 force and 12 damage?
must be agility
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PostSubject: Re: Shuriken   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 13:16

yes rico, 22 str and martial

isnt trojana banned?
i can see her cell , was she unbaneed and u cant use or?
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PostSubject: Re: Shuriken   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 13:26

xteenager wrote:
yes rico, 22 str and martial

isnt trojana banned?
i can see her cell , was she unbaneed and u cant use or?
no she is still banned for now. the support wouldnt allow more than 1 account for me.
but too bad i can not see a fight with her.iwish if anyone here could fight her in the Training to seehow she does with Ninja???

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PostSubject: Re: Shuriken   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 13:28

i got no berserks

but my xcarnage will reach it soon Wink

did u recieve my pm yesterday?
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PostSubject: Re: Shuriken   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 15:25

Holy shit this is actually true. I was always wondering how shuriken damage was so varied.

It is solely dependent on agility. Nothing to do with strength at all...

Wow this makes the shuriken even more broken. Now we're gonna have hyper agile untouchable ninjas that are literally unbeatable. Think about it... all you need is untouchable, feline agility, shuriken, and then agility stat upgrades all the way through and you can't lose.
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PostSubject: Re: Shuriken   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 15:29

wow
and i thought chunko's wont fit shuriken
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PostSubject: Re: Shuriken   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 16:44

but

this has 13 agi and dmg only 5 with shuriken

http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/75945660?chk=f830
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PostSubject: Re: Shuriken   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 17:16

Yeah you need more agility than that...

Or maybe it's martial arts combined with agility?
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PostSubject: Re: Shuriken   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 17:17

i seriously think its martial arts cause
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PostSubject: Re: Shuriken   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 21:53

it has nothign to do with Martial arts

punchdrunk has 39 agility and the shuriken dmg only goes up to 12
so the damage increase is very minimal.

I think it might take a small amount from both str and agi to increase the dmg
hopefully this makes it clear

http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/75621676?chk=ba0f 2str 2agi 3-5 dmg
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/39059356?chk=dca9 9str 5agi 4-6 dmg
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/75663207?chk=e334 8str 8 agi 5-7 dmg
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/75333176?chk=6895 8str 9 agi 5-7 dmg
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/75613161?chk=7b41 18str 8agi+MA 6-8 dmg
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/75622911?chk=d256 12str 10agi 6-8 dmg
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/74390269?chk=82c8 4str 18agi 6-8 dmg
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/61575382?chk=bed2 10str 14agi 7-8 dmg
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/69064601?chk=3dce 8str 21agi 7-9 dmg
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/60297303?chk=3934 19str 14agi 7-10 dmg

it looks pretty obvious to me that the shuriken damage is higher as the average str+agi is higher, with agi mattering more. the guy with high str, lower agi + martial arts actually does LESS dmg than I would expect him to.
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PostSubject: Re: Shuriken   Sun 05 Sep 2010, 22:21

grizzlism wrote:
it has nothign to do with Martial arts

punchdrunk has 39 agility and the shuriken dmg only goes up to 12
so the damage increase is very minimal.

I think it might take a small amount from both str and agi to increase the dmg
hopefully this makes it clear

http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/75621676?chk=ba0f 2str 2agi 3-5 dmg
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/39059356?chk=dca9 9str 5agi 4-6 dmg
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/75663207?chk=e334 8str 8 agi 5-7 dmg
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/75333176?chk=6895 8str 9 agi 5-7 dmg
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/75613161?chk=7b41 18str 8agi+MA 6-8 dmg
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/75622911?chk=d256 12str 10agi 6-8 dmg
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/74390269?chk=82c8 4str 18agi 6-8 dmg
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/61575382?chk=bed2 10str 14agi 7-8 dmg
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/69064601?chk=3dce 8str 21agi 7-9 dmg
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/60297303?chk=3934 19str 14agi 7-10 dmg

it looks pretty obvious to me that the shuriken damage is higher as the average str+agi is higher, with agi mattering more. the guy with high str, lower agi + martial arts actually does LESS dmg than I would expect him to.

Yap, I think that's it. Maybe agi gives double damage compared to str?
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PostSubject: Re: Shuriken   Mon 06 Sep 2010, 10:54

high agi also gets high shuriken damage

http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/76111244?chk=caf


and

http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/76112597?chk=6e29

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PostSubject: Re: Shuriken   Mon 06 Sep 2010, 22:06

I did some number crunching on this small sample size (from all the ninja fights posted, including the punchdrunk fight)

and it looks like you can calculate ninja star damage range like this:

1 damage per 6 strength
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1 damage per 3 agility




this is not exact, but it is within the range of every case we posted
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PostSubject: Re: Shuriken   Mon 06 Sep 2010, 22:17

http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/76424936?chk=e7b7
U can look i have marts artiaux + good agility and strengh but i just hit 7-8
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PostSubject: Re: Shuriken   Mon 06 Sep 2010, 22:27

S4nt0S wrote:
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/76424936?chk=e7b7
U can look i have marts artiaux + good agility and strengh but i just hit 7-8

her dmg range in that fight is 7-10, usually at 8

with the 6/3 formula,

11str+18agi = 1.8+6 = 7.8 like i said it wasn't exact, but it is exactly in your damage range
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PostSubject: Re: Shuriken   Tue 07 Sep 2010, 13:22

This is really fascinating stuff. I noticed that PunchDrunk was doing a lot of damage with those stars, but I didn't realize how out of range it was.

I happen to be saving a lot of ninja fights these days, and I noticed that agility has quite an effect on accuracy, but I didn't notice the damage boost. Here's a fight with Mathieu Lagarde, he only does 6-8 points with each star:

http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/76476814?chk=831b

Now here's another vs. Ludo <3, he does 8-10 per star. They both have a strength of 12, but Ludo has a much higher agility.

http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/75772836?chk=8117
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PostSubject: Re: Shuriken   Tue 07 Sep 2010, 13:49

ludo <3 12str/6 + 24agi/3 = 2+8 = 10dmg and his damage is 8-10, usually at 10 :)

mathiew legard 12str/6 + 9agi/3 = 2+3 = 5dmg and his damage is 5-8 this one is on the lower end for some reason
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PostSubject: Re: Shuriken   Thu 09 Sep 2010, 23:53

http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/77800314?chk=fc47
girlfriend's brute

12str 33agi - 9-12 dmg with shuriken
18-21 dmg with noodle bowl

http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/77801283?chk=56c3
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PostSubject: Re: Shuriken   Fri 10 Sep 2010, 09:24

and i just found out somthing confirms everythig were discovered here about Shuricken because it works the same on Piou-piouz
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/77908443?chk=25ab damage is 12 - 15 with that piece of shit Shocked

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PostSubject: Re: Shuriken   Fri 10 Sep 2010, 15:55

Wow, it looks like damage scales up way faster with agility than with strength. So high-agility ninjas should be doing tons of damage.
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PostSubject: Re: Shuriken   Thu 16 Sep 2010, 10:24

so for my chunko
which his tru destiny at 16 is 22 str and 25 agi, should do 10-12 damage if he got shuriken ? Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Shuriken   Thu 16 Sep 2010, 14:32

3.66 + 8.33 = 12 so yeah I would say in that 10-12 range for shuriken... and going up fast cause of the future stat boosts. cross ur fingers for noodle bowl :)
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