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PostSubject: Blocking with bare Hands!   Sat 11 Sep 2010, 02:21

i wrote in a thread somewhere here in the Forum that it is possible to block with bare hands if the brute has counter and high Strength, but it was a Theory and now i have a fight where my brute blocked an attack with his bare hands
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/78266211?chk=bac5
i know many might say immediatly whip is easy to block. but still not with bare hands Twisted Evil

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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Sat 11 Sep 2010, 03:19

yup counter supposedly gives 10% bonus to block chance

I think glaive and baton must give around 20%
sai maybe 30%?

Shield is 30% right?

That's why counter+sai+shield brutes block like everything
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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Sat 11 Sep 2010, 03:19

Impressive but not unheard of.
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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Sat 11 Sep 2010, 23:03

yep i heard of it long time in Mybrute but i never saw a brute in muxxu who can actualy do it.

he has done it again today , this time he blocked the EPEE weapon:
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/78676495?chk=fbb6

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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Sat 11 Sep 2010, 23:27

Epee is also very easy to block.
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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Mon 13 Sep 2010, 13:50

Shield is +45% to block. So counter/shield/sai gives you roughly 85% chance to block anything.
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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Mon 13 Sep 2010, 14:04

that's a chance im willing to take :tongue:
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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Tue 14 Sep 2010, 04:53

Teethymo wrote:
Shield is +45% to block. So counter/shield/sai gives you roughly 85% chance to block anything.
and if you have more than 25 strength you can add 10 % to the 85% which will give you 95% of blocking anything : Twisted Evil

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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Wed 15 Sep 2010, 16:13

Your theory is interesting. I mean strengh which would increase your block rate. I have never thought about it. Doubts remain for me, though^^.

I have already blocked with bare hands épée, fouet, baton... So I'm not that surprised.

And for my personal ranking of "blocking weapons":
poêle > baton = trombone = sai > glaive
Or something like this, I haven't had a trombone yet in muxxu.

And the poireau is unblockable. Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Wed 15 Sep 2010, 16:17

Tama wrote:
Your theory is interesting. I mean strengh which would increase your block rate. I have never thought about it. Doubts remain for me, though^^.

yeah I have my doubts about that too. people claimed str raises block % a long time ago and I still disagree. I still think str has nothing to do with blocking %. Mostly because a brute with no weapon/contre/shield isn't going to ever block anything.
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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Wed 15 Sep 2010, 16:27

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Tama wrote:
Your theory is interesting. I mean strengh which would increase your block rate. I have never thought about it. Doubts remain for me, though^^.

yeah I have my doubts about that too. people claimed str raises block % a long time ago and I still disagree. I still think str has nothing to do with blocking %. Mostly because a brute with no weapon/contre/shield isn't going to ever block anything.

my theory and the fights of posted Brute is based on combination of
Counter + high Strength.
so of cource if you dont have counter you will never block with bare hands. with that i agree with you.
but once you get the blocking 10% from counter then and only then the Strength will affect the % of blocking!!!!!!

P.S Idea for testing if you have some time for it:
blocking with bare hands means that your brute does not have a Shield or a Weapon in his Hands. so for testing you need to find a brute which has only counter without shield!!! and then monitor how he blocks with his Strength getting higher every lvl.

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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Wed 15 Sep 2010, 16:40

Rico wrote:


P.S Idea for testing if you have some time for it:
blocking with bare hands means that your brute does not have a Shield or a Weapon in his Hands. so for testing you need to find a brute which has only counter without shield!!! and then monitor how he blocks with his Strength getting higher every lvl.

Yeah I have a brute exactly like this.

I'm sorry but your theory that str helps blocking only after one gets some other skill that blocks is irrational.
Any brute doesn't start dodging only after they get high agility or untouch or a baton : brutes can dodge at any time... Why would high str brutes only start blocking after they get a weapon or skill that blocks. It's not the way this game works.

This is why I say the only things that affect blocking % are the shield, counter, and weapon.

If you are really desperate to have me prove you wrong I can update this in the future:

LV 10 with 19 str: not any different in rarity of blocking than at any earlier level.
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/78247301?chk=ba18 0 blocks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/79566526?chk=b648 0 blocks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/79568362?chk=448d 0 blocks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/79586096?chk=7e15 0 blocks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/80327318?chk=2dc6 0 blocks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/80327484?chk=ca14 0 blocks

http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/79586096?chk=7e15 0 blocks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/80330861?chk=59c5 0 blocks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/80332330?chk=f09c 0 blocks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/80340833?chk=6d8e 0 blocks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/80344840?chk=a53c 0 blocks (but the opponent's pan blocked so many times No )
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/80355109?chk=9ee4 0 blocks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/80361837?chk=30a1 0 blocks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/80374192?chk=ea5a 0 blocks

http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/80448215?chk=c100 0 blocks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/80448631?chk=ea95 0 blocks vs shuriken
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/80448840?chk=f97a 0 blocks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/80448981?chk=104a 0 blocks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/80449300?chk=f1f8 0 blocks

lvl 11 she gets offered... untouchable or 3 agi, so no more str for now... 19 str

http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/80469701?chk=82fb 0 blocks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/80458771?chk=9b73 0 blocks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/80459339?chk=e404 0 blocks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/80460730?chk=ecf5 0 blocks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/80466343?chk=cf8b 0 blocks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/80477585?chk=adc2 0 blocks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/80474547?chk=9e47 0 blocks vs epee

http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/80885190?chk=c990 0 blocks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/80885276?chk=b9ec 0 bloack
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/80885276?chk=b9ec 0 blrrgh
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/80885465?chk=8cd0 0 blaaaa
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/80885543?chk=1d7a 0 blocks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/80885630?chk=05a9 0 blacks

http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/81348354?chk=2271 2 blocks of epee with hatchet equipped (only blocks in all fights today)
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/81861846?chk=59c2 0 blocks vs whip

lvl 13 Now with 24 str! ↓

http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/82844516?chk=ca71 0 blocks vs Epee

http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/83355043?chk=67da 0 blocks vs shuriken
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/83355741?chk=6c08 0 blocks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/83356109?chk=d502 0 blocks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/83356431?chk=0dfa 0 blocks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/83356748?chk=b7b6 0 blocks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/83357241?chk=fa02 0 blocks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/83355634?chk=55a5 0 blocks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/83363330?chk=b44f 0 blucks

http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/84205220?chk=1dca 0 blocks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/83799903?chk=150b 0 blocks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/83391652?chk=06df 0 blocks vs epee

http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/85573400?chk=1a6f 0 blocks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/85573637?chk=02a0 0 blocks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/85574412?chk=74b9 1 block vs epee with shuriken equipped
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/85578211?chk=0a1f 0 blocks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/85582954?chk=2f23 0 blocks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/85588016?chk=9d17 0 blcolks



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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Wed 15 Sep 2010, 16:58

lol these fights are all with weapons which has a low % of getting blocked.
you just have to monitor the Fights vs Whip , EPEE , Shuriken, Racquet , Fan.

but the Idea is usefull to be proved (if it is true) for high lvls in BL because then other stronger weapons could be blocked with Strength 100+ Twisted Evil
after all Mybrute was not designed with counter Skill , and maybe im muxxu we will see the Sai or Knife getting blocked with bare Hands at lvl 50+ Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Wed 15 Sep 2010, 17:01

That's a scary thought.

Yeah a brute with shield+counter + 200 str would have 300% chance to block or whatever.

A total game imbalance. Another reason to suspect that str has nothing to do with blocking.
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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Wed 15 Sep 2010, 17:23

nothing is impossible lol!
well this brute i experimented with is now DB and will have the same path in his new rank , so in 2 week he will reach lvl 21 and if he gets one more Time +3 Str he will have total Str of 29 and then i will proof the blocking Theory offical Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Wed 15 Sep 2010, 17:26

Rico wrote:
nothing is impossible lol!
well this brute i experimented with is now DB and will have the same path in his new rank , so in 2 week he will reach lvl 21 and if he gets one more Time +3 Str he will have total Str of 29 and then i will proof the blocking Theory offical Very Happy

I had stopped playing meg last week, but I guess I will play her again and update that post with all fights (to increase sample size so I can't be accused of picking fights that only support my argument Razz)

Hopefully a lot of str is in her future...
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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Wed 15 Sep 2010, 17:31

Tama wrote:
And for my personal ranking of "blocking weapons":
poêle > baton = trombone = sai > glaive
Or something like this, I haven't had a trombone yet in muxxu.

I really covet having a brute with the Frying Pan + Sai, Shield + Counter geek
toss in a little pugnace + 6th sense...
what a dream boat that would be
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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Wed 15 Sep 2010, 18:02

I think that Rico's theory may be right but I haven't seen anything which made me agree with it. My personal theory is that strengh is linked with the ability to choc.

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I really covet having a brute with the Frying Pan + Sai, Shield + Counter geek
toss in a little pugnace + 6th sense...
what a dream boat that would be

Yum yum! That's one of my objectives with the mug + martial arts + pug + shield + counter drunken
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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Wed 15 Sep 2010, 18:13

Tama wrote:
My personal theory is that strengh is linked with the ability to choc.

I don't think there is any doubt about this one.

On a related note,
I feel like I've noticed a close tie between doing high damage and lucky "choc"s. For example fierce brute charges will often "choc" the opponent - noticeably more often than normal attacks with the same weapon.
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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Wed 15 Sep 2010, 18:34

I hesitated to say "damages" to be right. But I notice the same thing as you. Fierce brute charges, martial arts seem to "choc" more. And strengh is linked to damages, so it's all the more intereting. Nevertheless, a flail almost does not "choc" but it deals high damages.

Consequently, I prefer the first hypothesis.
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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Fri 17 Sep 2010, 14:58

has anybody else noticed over time that Bears' punches are really hard to block?

Bears do around 25 dmg naturally, so to do that damage without martial arts, they must have about hmm 50 natural str? maybe more?

It makes me wonder if high str somehow affects the opponent's chance to block an attack. I'm not talking accuracy, but just chance to get through the defense. Kind of like how most heavy weapons are easy to dodge but harder to block.
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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Fri 17 Sep 2010, 15:08

thats why the attribute is called "strength"

it absolutely affect
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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Fri 17 Sep 2010, 16:21

grizzlism wrote:
has anybody else noticed over time that Bears' punches are really hard to block?

Bears do around 25 dmg naturally, so to do that damage without martial arts, they must have about hmm 50 natural str? maybe more?

It makes me wonder if high str somehow affects the opponent's chance to block an attack. I'm not talking accuracy, but just chance to get through the defense. Kind of like how most heavy weapons are easy to dodge but harder to block.
here are some Fights with 36 Strength, you might find some info on them about the blocking against high Strength attacks Very Happy

http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/80869028?chk=5d5d
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/80871083?chk=89ff
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/81136243?chk=2124
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/81136826?chk=e281
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/81138561?chk=f80c
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/81139391?chk=9776

but i think its al about the 10% from counter or 45 % from Shield so a brute can block. not the Stremgth of the Opponent scratch

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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Fri 17 Sep 2010, 16:33

I mean... it could be set up like agility's weapon accuracy vs. dodging

High agility = high dodging
High agility = high accuracy in hits (even with innaccurate weapons) vs. brutes with lower agility
some weapons help with dodging, like baton, maybe lance, etc.


so it makes sense that Strength should work the same way with blocking
High str = more blocking
High str = more accuracy vs. brutes with lower str trying to block.
in the same way some weapons help with blocking like sai, glaive


So a brute with higher agility has the benefit of both dodging more and hitting more through opponent's dodges.
While a brute with higher strength has the benefit of both blocking more and hitting more against opponent's blocks.

If this is correct, the result would be that a brute with very high str and a weapon that is blocked easily like whip... might get blocked less because of his high str.

It also means that counter brutes want as high str as possible to be most effective with their role as a counter brute.
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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Fri 17 Sep 2010, 16:38

I don't think the strength of the opponent decreases your blocking rate. If strengh increases a little the choc probability, the shield is bound to fall and the game reaches its balance.

When I have a shield I don't dislike challenging high strengh brutes. And my 41 str brute was blocked as much as a low strengh brute.

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