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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Fri 17 Sep 2010, 16:42

Tama wrote:
When I have a shield I don't dislike challenging high strengh brutes.
what?

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And my 41 str brute was blocked as much as a low strengh brute.

are you sure about that? did you systematically study the fights? often when I study many fights I am surprised by things I missed.
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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Fri 17 Sep 2010, 17:02

for example, mantis23 is a good counter brute
but he only has 3 str... almost everybody has higher str than him.

I've especially noticed that bears hit him all the time, I would say close to 80%. They are much more dangerous to him than wolves, who get blocked (we know they have low str / high agi by their behavior).

Anyways, mantis23 rarely blocks unless he has a weapon equipped. Sorry I don't have any fights to show besides the most recent 4 challenges.... but you will notice a trend.

http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/80911854?chk=5cb1
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/81043568?chk=7863 ◄with shield/counter he should block SOME of those punches
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/81106414?chk=9dde
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/81151895?chk=ce25
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/81167299?chk=46b6 ◄losing shield early doesn't ever help....
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/81173064?chk=d3f1 ◄same here... especially cause it is much higher str brute


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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Fri 17 Sep 2010, 17:10

It has always been my guess that if you don't have a weapon equipped, you actually have a negative chance of blocking. This is why contre brutes don't block even 10% of the time with bare hands. And shield gives you +45% to block, but notice the plus, if you're starting out with -10% or something you're going to get hit almost 70% of the time.
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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Fri 17 Sep 2010, 17:12

I wanted to say that when you challenge a high strengh brute, generaly the stats which sustain multi hits (agi and spd) are low. Consequently, when you block your adversary with your shield, you made a bigger step toward victory...

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And my 41 str brute was blocked as much as a low strengh brute.


are you sure about that? did you systematically study the fights? often when I study many fights I am surprised by things I missed.

It's just a global feeling from my matchs. Unfortunately, I'm not paid for probability analysis on muxxu XD Furthermore, this brute is currenly taking a subpath different from full strengh so I'm waiting for her to be poing d'acier. Then, I'll do some research about her if you want.

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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Fri 17 Sep 2010, 17:13

Teethymo wrote:
It has always been my guess that if you don't have a weapon equipped, you actually have a negative chance of blocking. This is why contre brutes don't block even 10% of the time with bare hands. And shield gives you +45% to block, but notice the plus, if you're starting out with -10% or something you're going to get hit almost 70% of the time.

aha! i like the str of that

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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Fri 17 Sep 2010, 17:19

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It has always been my guess that if you don't have a weapon equipped, you actually have a negative chance of blocking. This is why contre brutes don't block even 10% of the time with bare hands. And shield gives you +45% to block, but notice the plus, if you're starting out with -10% or something you're going to get hit almost 70% of the time.

I like this idea ; the shield gives +45% block but if you don't have a weapon, you won't block almost 1/2 of the time. In fact, the shield is more a enhancer of the blocking potential of weapons.
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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Fri 17 Sep 2010, 17:21

so...

* Still don't know if str increases your own block %
* Nobody likes my idea that str operates like agility only in terms of increasing hit % vs. blockers
* without equipped weapons, block chance is probably reduced by some %
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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Fri 17 Sep 2010, 18:33

I'm afraid it's still too black-box for me to figure out. We do get pieces now and then, like when you figured out the formula for shuriken damage and now we know agility is more important than strength there. But it's really hard to narrow things down like that -- look at the guys over in mybrute.com, they've got simulators out the wazoo and still don't know what increases block percentage. It's some combination of stats, weapons, and shield and it's probably compared to the opponent's stats and weapons, but without a really narrow test case or a really clear outlier we're not going to know for sure.
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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Fri 17 Sep 2010, 19:28

[quote="Tama"]
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I like this idea ; the shield gives +45% block but if you don't have a weapon, you won't block almost 1/2 of the time. In fact, the shield is more a enhancer of the blocking potential of weapons.

sure? haven't noticed that with my contre shield brute and I'm sure it's the opposite: the shield gives you 45% chance to block, some weapons increase that, maybe!! some weapons even decrease that and bare hands (no weapon, still shield) may decrease that either, but not down to half of the time...

in the old mybrute days we were sure: agility increases your chance to block, strength either, but only a little bit... but of course strength helps you to avoid losing your shield via impact...

one of the reasons agility monsters were the masters...
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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Fri 17 Sep 2010, 21:41

What I mean is that when you attack bare hands and your opponent has a shield you will be blocked less than 25 % of the time. Bare hands is my benchmark, if you want.

If strengh helps to avoid losing your shield, I don't know in muxxu. But I did not see anything which made me think so.
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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Fri 24 Sep 2010, 11:38

he did it again , and this block made him win the fight
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/84172295?chk=a05f

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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Fri 24 Sep 2010, 11:47

Nice blocks
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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Fri 24 Sep 2010, 11:51

Nice, now I'm just waiting for a kamikaze brute blocking at least a club with bare hands. Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Fri 24 Sep 2010, 11:54

after watching the fights that grizz is editing in his post i am starting to think that it might be a combination of Strength and Speed that make my brute block with bare hands because he has herculean Strength and Bolt of Lightning in the same Destiny but with 2 diffrent paths

but you can compare it your self too , maybe you can see something we are missing. there must be a reason that this brute can do it but other brutes cant!!!
first path
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/78266211?chk=bac5
second path
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/84172295?chk=a05f

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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Fri 24 Sep 2010, 12:14

Combinaison between str and spd... Why not. But I don't think stats play a great role in this.

http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/76159809?chk=2cd0

Seung was 10 6 21 here... But the block didn't have a great impact^^"
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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Fri 24 Sep 2010, 14:47

It's contre. If bare hands normally gives you say -5% to block, then contre gives you +5% to block.
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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Fri 15 Oct 2010, 00:39

Tama wrote:
Combinaison between str and spd... Why not. But I don't think stats play a great role in this.

http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/76159809?chk=2cd0

Seung was 10 6 21 here... But the block didn't have a great impact^^"
after seeing this fight from Tama and i found this one too:
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/93400892?chk=e404

so Strength or a combo of Strength ü SPeed has nothing to do with increasing the blocking persantage with counter.

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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Fri 15 Oct 2010, 23:27

OMFG ! See this fight ! Not bare hands but close affraid

http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/93835446?chk=cf3f

No wonder I don't like épée too much.


I have just taken a little bit of strengh and admire the quality of the glaive's block.

http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/93838616?chk=661a
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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Sat 13 Nov 2010, 06:55

blocking the whip 2 times in one fight with bare hands. and he is a lvl 4, so stats has nothing to do with it at all. it is just 10% blocking rate from counter and some lucky seeds to make it real.
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/106606413?chk=8847

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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Sun 02 Jan 2011, 12:50

i missed watching blocking with bare hands, it is nothing special but seems extraordinary Razz
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/128011445?chk=01e4

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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Fri 11 Feb 2011, 04:09

finaly i got to see RicoRico blocking with his bare hands cheers
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/143719087?chk=2577

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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Fri 11 Feb 2011, 09:38

this is not a blocking with bare hand fight, but its my first time seeing mammoth bone being blocked
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/143376776?chk=acca
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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Sat 12 Feb 2011, 12:14

It's not so rare... Happens from time to time with a mere shield + baton.

I'm wondering if I should try taking the mammoth bone on some of my brutes. I think it's not as bad as the hatchet, at least for a counter brute. :cat:
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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Thu 17 Feb 2011, 18:03

Os de mammouth is not a terrible weapon, imo. It's fairly accurate and has a good 6th sense %, roughly like the glaive, perhaps harder to block. It is a heavy weapon, so it's sped up by gros-bras and weakened by squelette plomb, but if it slows you down it does so very very slightly. It almost never combos and does less damage than the hache by a little bit, but it's much more powerful than the glaive (unless you have maitre). Albertintine and Indica both use it with shield/contre and it's pretty good blocking for them.
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PostSubject: Re: Blocking with bare Hands!   Thu 17 Feb 2011, 18:13

Tama wrote:
I'm wondering if I should try taking the mammoth bone on some of my brutes. I think it's not as bad as the hatchet, at least for a counter brute. :cat:
You know my opinion as you've already posted there.... Very Happy
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