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PostSubject: Re: weapon underestimated???   Fri 01 Oct 2010, 23:49

nobody has seemed to notce this, but LEEK LOWERS YOUR DEFENSE TO ZERO

you ALWAYS get hit when leek is equipped... the only exception is when leek does 6th sense defense.

Not a good situation if your opponent has armor and a heavy weapon.
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PostSubject: Re: weapon underestimated???   Sat 02 Oct 2010, 07:52

yes Grizz i can confirm this weakness about the leek, no blocks even with Shields. but it is small short distance weapon. so with high Agility he can dodge enough. but you are right a very auwfull weakness to have Sad

and about the Rocket, today heused it 3 out of 5 fights and the chances for throwing are Equal Very Happy
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/87691090?chk=0e3c thrown fast
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/87692858?chk=3761 thrown late
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/87693621?chk=7743 got stolen


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PostSubject: Re: weapon underestimated???   Tue 26 Oct 2010, 17:03

I have discovered a monomug brute :
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/96198036?chk=6cd6
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/96153299?chk=e376

So nice... I'm feeling so jealous. I want a mug for my project brute in richter.


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PostSubject: Re: weapon underestimated???   Tue 26 Oct 2010, 17:04

shes amazing!
i never had mug Sad
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PostSubject: Re: weapon underestimated???   Tue 26 Oct 2010, 21:08

Holy shit that is a lot of damage...

If she had increvable shield counter she'd be unbeatable.
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PostSubject: Re: weapon underestimated???   Tue 26 Oct 2010, 21:49

from my experiance with my (mug + Martial Arts) with the mug you can not block at all. its as close as the blocking rate of Shuricken. so shield counter with mug is not a great thing. it is a weakness imo...

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PostSubject: Re: weapon underestimated???   Tue 26 Oct 2010, 22:05

The block rate is bad Rico? I hope it's at least better than the flail (which can block from time to time). I watched some fights of Call of Juarez.
I don't expect great block rate from it because it's offensive (a portable flail Very Happy)

Shuriken can block, I have already blocked a sword with it (without counter).
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PostSubject: Re: weapon underestimated???   Wed 27 Oct 2010, 01:05

Lol rico don't say shit's about blocking rate of shuriken Razz look this fight

http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/98844687?chk=e0b3
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PostSubject: Re: weapon underestimated???   Wed 27 Oct 2010, 01:24

I have a ninja with shield/counter and he blocks with shuriken.
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PostSubject: Re: weapon underestimated???   Wed 27 Oct 2010, 11:06

S4antos wrote:
Lol rico don't say shit's about blocking rate of shuriken Razz look this fight

http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/98844687?chk=e0b3

It's not an evidence... Baton is easy to block. And you didn't block a lot...
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PostSubject: Re: weapon underestimated???   Wed 27 Oct 2010, 14:07

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Lol rico don't say shit's about blocking rate of shuriken Razz look this fight

http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/98844687?chk=e0b3
well i am sure no one will agree with me on this but i believe it as i see it:
when you have (shuriken or PioPio or Noudle Bowl) + Shield, if you block then it is only the shield with its 45% of blocking that allow you to block and these 3 weapons just happend to be in your other hand while you block.

and the Point i was trying to reach with comparing the blocking rate of the Mug to the blocking rate of shuricken is saying that nighter the Mug nur shuricken has a blocking rate at all.

think of it, the best and imo only way to test and see how a weapon can block is if your brute has counter with the 10% that allow him to block. and once you have both then you can test. and because of the fact that we found a couple of brutes who can block the Epee or whip with bare hands (and i am talking only about these 2 weapons for testing , so dont bring any other weapons into the Descussion):
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/78266211?chk=bac5
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/78676495?chk=fbb6
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/76159809?chk=2cd0

then the shuricken: without counter:
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/93835446?chk=cf3f
and this is the only way i found and saw for shuricken to block at all.

from that we can say that shuricken has a bit better (like 5 %) blocking rate than bare hands, which is 0 % without counter and 10% with counter Wink ------> so Ninja has a blocking rate of max 5 % without counter and 15 % with counter imo.

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PostSubject: Re: weapon underestimated???   Wed 27 Oct 2010, 14:43

Rico wrote:
well i am sure no one will agree with me on this but i believe it as i see it:
when you have (shuriken or PioPio or Noudle Bowl) + Shield, if you block then it is only the shield with its 45% of blocking that allow you to block and these 3 weapons just happend to be in your other hand while you block.

No, I totally agree with you Razz
The bonus to the blocking rate for having these weapons combined with shield must be around 5% I guess.
It's logical if you think about it. Shuri is frustating enough by nature so if you add a frying pan blocking rate, you kill the game. Thrown weapons are not made to protect you.

The block by my Seunghee is a collector. I was myself surprised^^.
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PostSubject: Re: weapon underestimated???   Wed 01 Dec 2010, 03:42

well we all decided that the Leek is a very good weapon,and i want to point out that the combo of 6th sense + Leek + survival is the best set for the leek.
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/114598050?chk=b1e1

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PostSubject: Re: weapon underestimated???   Wed 01 Dec 2010, 04:29

wholly crap!!! I want a coffee mug for Luponero soo bad
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PostSubject: Re: weapon underestimated???   Wed 01 Dec 2010, 12:14

Untouch is better than survie with a leek. Same goes for the raquette.
Choc / Vanda => Godlike.
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PostSubject: Re: weapon underestimated???   Tue 21 Dec 2010, 14:43

Caedes wrote:
Untouch is better than survie with a leek. Same goes for the raquette.
Choc / Vanda => Godlike.

I have one brute with Choc + vandalism Razz [now I wait tete-de-fer ] http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/123244638?chk=5425

~the leek...is one of the best muxxu weapons...
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/123218986?chk=8219 an example of his power Razz
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PostSubject: Re: weapon underestimated???   Tue 21 Dec 2010, 15:17

ckl wrote:
Caedes wrote:
Untouch is better than survie with a leek. Same goes for the raquette.
Choc / Vanda => Godlike.

~the leek...is one of the best muxxu weapons...
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/123218986?chk=8219 an example of his power Razz
waw this is the first time i see shield + Leek blocking in muxxu, i know the Epee can easily be blocked , but i thought that the leek drains your blocking rate to 0% , and after this fight i would say it gives a blocking rate of a total 10% Razz

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PostSubject: Re: weapon underestimated???   Sun 26 Dec 2010, 22:20

belive it or not guys,
the LEEK is a "heavy weapon" and its damage gets affected by "Squelette plomb" which might mean that "Strong Arm" might also work with the LEEK as well , which means allways attack twice instead of once every Round Twisted Evil

RicoRico with 34 strength vs
armure + peau + squelette -----> http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/125660271?chk=f13f 4-5-6-8-9
armure + peau + no squelette -----> http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/125663766?chk=77eb 9-10-13

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PostSubject: Re: weapon underestimated???   Mon 27 Dec 2010, 10:36

Rico wrote:
belive it or not guys,
the LEEK is a "heavy weapon" and its damage gets affected by "Squelette plomb" which might mean that "Strong Arm" might also work with the LEEK as well , which means allways attack twice instead of once every Round Twisted Evil

RicoRico with 34 strength vs
armure + peau + squelette -----> http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/125660271?chk=f13f 4-5-6-8-9
armure + peau + no squelette -----> http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/125663766?chk=77eb 9-10-13


no, it isn't a heavy weapon
he can do damage at brutes with armor+peau from....~4 to ~14....
fight again with that brutes and see Razz
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PostSubject: Re: weapon underestimated???   Fri 14 Jan 2011, 05:51

I've seen an example too of what Rico is telling about Poireau.
And yeah, seems to be counted as a heavy weapon ..
I don't know for gros bras but I saw the reduction from Squelette de Plomb too.
Armure + Peau + Squelette vs Leek ...
If the the % from squelette is calculated before the armor reduction, it's nasty ..
If it's armor+peau first, the damage reduced woudn't be that much unless you get TONS of str.
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PostSubject: Re: weapon underestimated???   Thu 20 Jan 2011, 03:54

Caedes wrote:
I've seen an example too of what Rico is telling about Poireau.
And yeah, seems to be counted as a heavy weapon ..
I don't know for gros bras but I saw the reduction from Squelette de Plomb too.
Armure + Peau + Squelette vs Leek ...
If the the % from squelette is calculated before the armor reduction, it's nasty ..
If it's armor+peau first, the damage reduced woudn't be that much unless you get TONS of str.

i just had a fight with RicoRico which shows how devastating it can be to fight with the leek against "Armure + Peau + Squelette"
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/134798483?chk=1b40
but thanks to brute fierce which RicoRico has we can see that it will still be devastating damage if the brute has high strength like 30+ (which RicoRico will reach soon)

and now i want to show you this fight with the Leek which surprized me so much.
look what RiQuest does after his leek got disarmed with "tete de fer"
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/134800463?chk=9e75

would it make sense that if the leek will get disarem with "tete de fer" the brute continue attacking with the exact Number of attacks with his bare hands which the leek would have attacked??? Razz this would be so cool Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: weapon underestimated???   Thu 20 Jan 2011, 06:18

It is.
I realised than the number of attacks in an assault is calculated before anything else.
(Dodge, parry, tête de fer ...)
Only pugnace and counter can shorter it.
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PostSubject: Re: weapon underestimated???   Tue 08 Feb 2011, 21:59

Wow just got Éventail with one of my muxxu, it's like leek with pugnace and tournade de coups on it.

http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/142829227?chk=714d
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/142830086?chk=f489
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PostSubject: Re: weapon underestimated???   Tue 08 Feb 2011, 23:04

yes the fan is good
but weaker than the leek
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PostSubject: Re: weapon underestimated???   Tue 08 Feb 2011, 23:34

xteenager wrote:
yes the fan is good
but weaker than the leek

The fan is good... only if you have good strenght and vandalisme :)
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