This topic is just dedicated to this ability "sang chaud" and its mecanisms. I have just read an interesting analysis yesterday. I will try to translate it faithfully.

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"The concept of initiative is all but vague if you play other MT games.
The basis principle of the speed/initiative calculation is that speed has an impact on the quantity of initiative consumed. (it's difficult to know exactly what are the meacanisms of consumption)

Grosso modo, if a brute has a random basis of initiative at the start of the fight (ranging from 0 to 100 if we take into account the +200 of sang chaud) which determines which brute starts the fight.

The one with the higher initiative starts the fight.

One attack consume a certain quantity of initiative depending on the speed stat. This quantity decreases if your speed increases.

Basically, if we take a 100 points consumption with 3 in speed, the gain of 200 in initiative make you win 2 turns (the time to consume the 200, and without taking into account the random factor).

Then, if we increase the speed (and it is the main unknown, what's the algorithm used ?), we decrease the initiative consumption. Maybe a brute with a speed of 10 will not consume more than 80 pts, a brute with 20 in speed not more than 60... ect... But I have never found the good algorithm).

Thus, that explains why it is difficult to feel an effect when we invest in speed, bacause, if the consumption is 50 instead of 100, you win an attack turn out of 2, and only if we assume that the opponent doesn't have any speed boost.

That's also why the speed gain is more visible with sang chaud because iif the consumption is 50 instead of 100, the brute takes 4 turns before consuming the 200 bonus given by sang chaud. "

Caedes, I'm sure you'll love it.

The way i see it is if your initiative is 200 with sang chuad and you have 5 speed therefore you are allowed two turns, but like you said if you add more speed to the equation your int. decreases but since you add more speed wouldnt that mean that you still have 2 turns? because sang chuad affects how many times you attack at the [u]begining but speed just helps how many times you attack over all so wouldnt the gain of spped cancel out the decrease of int.? Therefore there really isnt much change. Right?

I hope you understand what im getting at

this is an interesting topic and theories, are they yours Tama or you just translated them???

Darkervictory wrote:

so wouldnt the gain of spped cancel out the decrease of int.? Therefore there really isnt much change. Right? I hope you understand what im getting at

here is myy theories
first the 200 init affect the actions of only the brute who has sang-chaud and has nothing to do with the speed of the Opponent.
second the 200 init is not connected to the current Speed of a brute:
the Nr of attacks vs opponent with no sang-chaud or meditation is like this:

bare handed: 2 ttacks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/105349038?chk=637d

light weapons like knife and fan: 4 attacks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/105718587?chk=bbc5

light weapons slower than knife like sai : 3 attacks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/106998676?chk=e7b8

whip: 2 attacks
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/103960501?chk=71f5

heavy weapons like stone hammer, Flail or club : 2 attack
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/104298630?chk=814e

if both had sang-chaud then the brute with the highiest Speed begins
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/105314212?chk=9fed
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/105389634?chk=baea

I thought sang chaud makes you automatically attack first and two times in a row, thats about it, its not more complicated than this.

And if you have some light/fast weapon like knife, you may attack more times, but not because of sang chaud, its because of the weapon...

And I think after the initial attacks, a sang chaud brute becomes slower than usual


AND Meditation works just the opposite... You lose the two first rounds without attacking and after your speed goes nuts!

I think shang chaud it's one of the best muxxu skills...

Well no need for so much mathematics and formulas I think

Why make it overcomplicated? Its basically two rounds that you gain plus the first to attack, the rest its all about the weapons... A fast weapon is a fast weapon no matter if you have sang chaud or not

Also, how are you sure that its not true that a sang chaud becomes slower afterwards? At least thats the impression i got. For what i've seen sang chauds are not particularly fast after the initial attacks.

lol nixxon

first you say

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Its basically two rounds that you gain plus the first to attack, the rest its all about the weapons

just to take it back

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how are you sure that its not true that a sang chaud becomes slower afterwards

stay with your first sentence, that's the truth I'm sure...

With this muxxu i do 4 comebacks , in the first round.
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/107940479?chk=17db

http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/141666326?chk=1a69

I have seen a similar fight with Truque VS Ludo. I really don't understand how sang chaud and speed work together. Does it mean that the number of assaults during the sang chaud phase is independant from the speed of the opponent ?

yes and no. that is how i see it:

sang-chaud := initiative ( your_speed (x), weapons_Speed ( initiative_of_drawn_weapon (a , your_speed (x) , speed_of Opponent (y)) ) )

x (variable) := your brutes Speed
a (constant) := every weapon has its own initiative. (knife and Fan are the highest and Stone hammer is the lowest)
y (variable) := the Opponent´s Speed

Too much math