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PostSubject: Immortal, best or worst skill in the game ?   Sat 12 Feb 2011, 13:30

I was wondering what was your opinion about this skill. :cat:

Some guys like Natus in the french forum think this is bullshit in the long term. Suspect
Imo, it's the best skill in the game because, when you combine it with vitality, your defense increases faster than your opponent's offense.
How good were the immortals in the V1, can you give me some feedbacks about your experience guys ?
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PostSubject: Re: Immortal, best or worst skill in the game ?   Sat 12 Feb 2011, 13:37

Immortals in V1, thats easy
They had a slight lead on agiles
but on the long run, Agile and str brutes have the lead, and by FAR imo
only a handful of immortals who can do well vs agiles and strength

So thats why on the long run, an agile with untouch and implace will rule muxxu
just like the level 71 in padawn
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PostSubject: Re: Immortal, best or worst skill in the game ?   Sat 12 Feb 2011, 13:47

Can you remind me of the reason why the immortals had less hp in the V1 ?
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PostSubject: Re: Immortal, best or worst skill in the game ?   Sat 12 Feb 2011, 13:53

Tama wrote:
Can you remind me of the reason why the immortals had less hp in the V1 ?

High levels
they had both vitality and immo
basicly the best immortals I see in V1
are

http://coygvfxgjs2tmoht.mybrute.com/cellule
http://junkpunch1.mybrute.com/cellule
http://borg-6uwiep7it7.mybrute.com/cellule the immo borg
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PostSubject: Re: Immortal, best or worst skill in the game ?   Sat 12 Feb 2011, 14:00

But why is my Kitty in Muxxu at 846 hp lvl 28 when your level 323 only has 1770.

What was the difference in the hp system between the V1 and Muxxu if you prefer ?
Teethy told it to me once but I don't remember what he said. scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Immortal, best or worst skill in the game ?   Sat 12 Feb 2011, 14:12

Tama wrote:
But why is my Kitty in Muxxu at 846 hp lvl 28 when your level 323 only has 1770.

What was the difference in the hp system between the V1 and Muxxu if you prefer ?
Teethy told it to me once but I don't remember what he said. scratch


these are not pure pure IMMOS, first 2 are agiles immortals, second is a skilled
if u wanna see a pure immo
look at this
http://fotum.mybrute.com/cellule
and also
because in mybrute, highest hp you can get per level is 2, even if u have vitality+immo
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PostSubject: Re: Immortal, best or worst skill in the game ?   Sat 12 Feb 2011, 19:01

IMMO is best skill :X + VItality
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PostSubject: Re: Immortal, best or worst skill in the game ?   Sat 12 Feb 2011, 19:23

Immortal is much better in this game than in the original mybrute. Its a great skill but needs other skills to take the most out of it
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PostSubject: Re: Immortal, best or worst skill in the game ?   Sat 12 Feb 2011, 19:41

http://xykydu.meinbrutalo.de/cellule inmortal + agility

GOOD BRUTE Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Immortal, best or worst skill in the game ?   Sat 12 Feb 2011, 19:43

Tama wrote:
Can you remind me of the reason why the immortals had less hp in the V1 ?
Because you can't chose endurance on your own. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Immortal, best or worst skill in the game ?   Sat 12 Feb 2011, 23:37

lol actualy comparing anything in muxxu with V1 is completly pointless.
one of the reasons is what Rippraff wrote.
and the Opponents in muxxu has another strong and weak Spots , which does not exist in V1.

now back to the Question from Tama.
i am not completly with Natus about his Opinion, but some of his Aspects can hardly be ignored. and i have to agree with him.
specialy the Point of -25% of STR, Speed and Agility.
yes you gain 250% of HP and this may appear at the Beginning till a certain lvl (could be lvl30) as a noticable overbalance for the Brute who just got Immortal, because the stats % he lost will be balanced because of his High HP and not to forget that most opponents till lvl30 still do not have a high ststs to deal with the Immortals high HP.
for the Immortal a pretty much easy example of an advantage would be: one Hit with 30 damage before getting Immortal or 2 hits 18 + 18 damage after getting Immortal is at the End the same but with a little % of HP left at the end of every fight.

but for the long term you are gaining only 75% of your stats compared to all other Non-Immortal brutes (even if you have stat booster yourself, and normaly we have to remeber that the chances of getting +3 Endurance is only 25% because there are 4 stats in the game.
so at some Point at some lvl (imo could be lvl60+) other brutes with help of their stats boosters will reach a certain high stats (specialy Speed and Strength) so they would be able to drain most of the HP of an Immortal before lossing 75% of their HP.

a very perfect example of this would be Lupenero (this was his stats if you don´t remember http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/142262742?chk=bcbe )
he basicly took every stat he was offered and refused all weapons till lvl25 or such, and with help of his vitality he have almost 1/3 of kitties HP. now lets say he has or he will get Hercuean Strength and Armure which is possible that he will get at some lvl after lvl28.
at this Point i would say that a fight between him and kitty would be with at least 40% chance for him to win.
and then at lvl60 if he continue to ignore weapons and take all stats offered , he will remain with 1/3 Hp compared to kitty´s HP but his stats will be more than double of what kitty would have.

of course there are also some certan Skills that could help and give an advantage fighting against Immortal.
at first on my list
sang-chaud is the best skill to have against an IMMO, with FE it is perfect. then +7 Armure .......


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PostSubject: Re: Immortal, best or worst skill in the game ?   Thu 17 Feb 2011, 17:33

I had a couple immortals in v1 and so I can see both sides of this. Here's a few key differences. And here's my test bed:
http://vector-shadow.labrute.fr/cellule

1. As Rippraff said, you can't choose your stats. Or your weapons, skills, etc. So you can end up with lots of things that don't reinforce each other. Notably, all v1 brutes had a bucket full of weapons.

2. A full +3 Endurance stat boost gives a Muxxu immortal with vitalite 96 points of vie. An endurance boost in v1 gave a brute just 24 points of vie. (On Vector Shadow, if you've got preview tools you can see this at level 24 and again at level 26.) You can also avoid pets.

3. What is the long term? Grizzlism predicted that eventually the curve of strength/MA would overtake the curve of Immo/Vitalite. In my opinion, that hasn't happened yet, and I point to Katgirl and Kitty as proof. Sure, strong brutes can beat them, but they're not completely outclassed like they would have been in v1. At some point they might be, but is that level 40? Level 50? And you just have to ask, will any brutes ever rise to that level in BL? I think we still don't know yet.

4. Perseverant and contre have broken the dominance of the agile brute from v1, and I've bitched enough about the dodge % ceiling that I don't believe was in v1 either. The low number of weapons carried by each brute has raised the importance of disarming skills and of MA. Kitty kills you by removing all your weapons, which is inevitable with her perseverant and choc. The only ones that can beat her have MA and lots of strength so they can do damage without weapons.

5. Ninja brutes were not possible in v1. Even ninja mode was practically impossible. Immortals have the best defense against shurikens.
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