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PostSubject: Re: Weapons rating topic   Fri 23 Sep 2011, 14:55

I have shield and frying pan which are probably one of the best defensive combo there is. I have gotten thru massive onslaughts. Once by wolf, 2 dogs and guy with knife at same time. It's like a 5% slip thru ratio at best.

But during a couple fights scither and leek slipped thru very reliably. Maybe close to 100% which was shoking. I didn;t note the player's AGL, but I think that's part of those weapon's special attributes.

I've also stolen a scither and (with my shield) it has at least as good of a suppplemental defensive property as a sword, but with better multi-hit attributes.
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PostSubject: Re: Weapons rating topic   Fri 23 Sep 2011, 16:37

well 5 % slip though is a bit overrated, but there is no doubt it is one of the best. some people say the trombone has a scary blocking rate which might match the frying pan but to be honest i ´ve never seen one with shield and counter in action Sad

and ya the LEEK is not blockable at all, nothing can block it.

idk what you mean by "scither" if you mean the "scimitar" it is definitely not as good as the LEEK and it can be blocked , not easily but a bit above average.

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PostSubject: Re: Weapons rating topic   Fri 23 Sep 2011, 20:07

Yeah, I meant the scimitar. Blocking >19 out of 20 attacks is fine by me. I've gotten thru on Trombone pretty well. I really like it's damage tho when I steal it away. Usually ends things with that immediate attack.

I have Shield, Herc Str, 6th Sense, Net, Thief + Frying Pan, Sai. My next 3 levels I'm getting +3 spd, Spear and Flail. Haven't needed more than those to win a tourney yet.

I'm 16th level Haemogoblin. str-27, agl-12, spd-2

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PostSubject: Re: Weapons rating topic   Sat 24 Sep 2011, 13:33

seems like a scary turtle to me with sai and Frying Pan but without counter,
but why take the Spear after them , it certainly would make you weaker considering that you have the best 2 blocking weapons in the game along with THIEF and also the spear can only be as good if you have counter + shield compared to the SAI.


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PostSubject: Re: Weapons rating topic   Sat 24 Sep 2011, 14:11

+1



~I have a brute in my main account with sai+frying pan+shield+contre and with broadsword if I want [but 1st 2 weapons are enough for me, and I taked the broadsword just 1 time, but I won't take it anymore Razz ]
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PostSubject: Re: Weapons rating topic   Thu 29 Sep 2011, 20:58

Rico wrote:
seems like a scary turtle to me with sai and Frying Pan but without counter,
but why take the Spear after them , it certainly would make you weaker considering that you have the best 2 blocking weapons in the game along with THIEF and also the spear can only be as good if you have counter + shield compared to the SAI.



Well, I have 6th Sense, but I go back down that path because (1) it leads to getting the flail (which I just got last night) and (2) I need the inventory cushion to prtect against players who have Sabotage and Shock. I can Thief weapons, but not always and not always good ones.

The Spear/Lance also does pretty respectable damage at 30-40+ (for me). With Shield, blocks maybe 20-25% but gets double strikes sometimes too. A 7.5/10 IMO.

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Level 19
HP - 107
STR - 27
AGL - 12
SPD - 5

Herc Str, 6th Sense, Shield, Net, Thief

Sai, Frying Pan, Lance, Flail

I even bought a mug from Motion Twin w/ my character's pic and name.
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PostSubject: Re: Weapons rating topic   Fri 30 Sep 2011, 01:18

back to topic Very Happy
sadly wrong thinking, you dont take a bad weapon in order to get a good weapon without messing up your destiny and afterwards you don´t convince your self that the Lance is a good weapon just because you had to take it. and believe me many does.
in your case the flail as a 4th weapon is not the perfect weapon for your SET.
your only Goal should be searching for counter in all possible paths just after getting the sai , frying Pan and shield.
and after exploring you can pick the best path you have found, and i can asure you your current path is not the best.

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PostSubject: Re: Weapons rating topic   Fri 30 Sep 2011, 06:57

/word^^
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PostSubject: Re: Weapons rating topic   Fri 30 Sep 2011, 09:39

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I even bought a mug from Motion Twin w/ my character's pic and name.

Huh?
How?! I want that too!? Do they send it to other countries than france? And how much does it cost?

((but if you have the same username as here, I wouldnt like to drink from such cup... Laughing ))
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PostSubject: Re: Weapons rating topic   Fri 30 Sep 2011, 13:47

Back in topic, what about cimeterre? I choose it with two brutes and it seems to have some multi hit bonus (or a tornado boost). Other characteristics? Blocking, 6th sense, disarm?
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PostSubject: Re: Weapons rating topic   Fri 30 Sep 2011, 17:05

good blocking, decent disarming, weak 6th sense Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Weapons rating topic   Sat 01 Oct 2011, 11:07

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back to topic Very Happy
sadly wrong thinking, you dont take a bad weapon in order to get a good weapon without messing up your destiny and afterwards you don´t convince your self that the Lance is a good weapon just because you had to take it. and believe me many does.
in your case the flail as a 4th weapon is not the perfect weapon for your SET.
your only Goal should be searching for counter in all possible paths just after getting the sai , frying Pan and shield.
and after exploring you can pick the best path you have found, and i can asure you your current path is not the best.

With all respect, that's ridiculous. Destinies are random and strategically, it's all paper, scissors, rock. There is no perfect character or weapon. There are types of charcters (like ninjas, etc), but I got most of my best skills and weapons early. To suggest I waste my reincarnations wandering off in some totally different direction is wasteful. And to believe destinys can be "analized" is absurd.

"Flail as a 4th weapon" is also false. During fights, the weapons are drawn randomly.

"your only Goal should be searching for counter in all possible paths"
How do you know it's not my next option? or my 2nd one that takes me away from the sai? that's just empty speculation. gaurantee me it's in my destiny. yeah, oops.

"and after exploring you can pick the best path you have found, and i can asure you your current path is not the best."
Uum, no you really can't. Not even slightly.

We can talk about attributes of weapons and skills and combos thereof, but anything more than that is a wild guess. If MT came here and stated some facts, that would be something. Obviusly they don't or it would be front page news. Like I speculated before myself, many/most (likely all) of the people who ruined the last game with their bots crushing the MT servers are here.

As for the mug, go to the old mybrute site, log into your character there and go shopping thru the link on the right. The mug cost me US$27 ($15 for the mug and $12 for the shipping). They have other stuff there too.

DYK MT is a socialist structured company? All employees top to bottom make the same amount of money.
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PostSubject: Re: Weapons rating topic   Sat 01 Oct 2011, 16:06

415slut wrote:


As for the mug, go to the old mybrute site, log into your character there and go shopping thru the link on the right. The mug cost me US$27 ($15 for the mug and $12 for the shipping). They have other stuff there too.


I vaguelly remember now there was such option, but all my favourite login names were already taken (and those less favourite too) so I passed on that...
But now I see only link for buying Mybrute on iPod and iTouch. Heh.
Thanks for the answer :)
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PostSubject: Re: Weapons rating topic   Sun 02 Oct 2011, 00:39

i gotta admid i missed these kind of discussions , they remind me of Mantis Razz
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There is no perfect character or weapon
yes there is and it is all about the combination of Skills, Stats and weapons which gets offered and accepted or refused , and many of us have found them just by exploring and thinking like i explained above.
check out all the brutes threads from the french muxxu in this section http://mybrute.forumotion.com/f30-brutes-threads-destiny-analysis or couple of the brutes in the first page of Ranking in french muxxu (like truque, Lud0 , Hello Kitty...) and you will understand exactly what i mean.

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"Flail as a 4th weapon" is also false. During fights, the weapons are drawn randomly.

it was ment as having/accepting a 4th weapon in your weapons Set, not in which Order it will get drawn in the fights. i ment the effectiveness of the flail is diffrent between the Flail as a single weapon compared to the flail along with 3 other weapons... and along with the Set of Skills and stats which isn´t perfect for the flail in your brutes case...

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"your only Goal should be searching for counter in all possible paths"
How do you know it's not my next option? or my 2nd one that takes me away from the sai? that's just empty speculation. gaurantee me it's in my destiny. yeah, oops.

"and after exploring you can pick the best path you have found, and i can asure you your current path is not the best."
Uum, no you really can't. Not even slightly.
here clearly you are missing the main point of the game "muxxu" compared to version1 "mybrute".
i can asure you that you will get a better path only because your current one is not impressively great and you can find one or 2 Skills or stat boosters (which will get offered eventually at some point in your path) which can make him much better. we tried it with many brutes and it worked with most of them.


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PostSubject: Re: Weapons rating topic   Sun 02 Oct 2011, 10:12

Rico wrote:
i gotta admid i missed these kind of discussions , they remind me of Mantis Razz
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There is no perfect character or weapon
yes there is and it is all about the combination of Skills, Stats and weapons which gets offered and accepted or refused , and many of us have found them just by exploring and thinking like i explained above.
check out all the brutes threads from the french muxxu in this section http://mybrute.forumotion.com/f30-brutes-threads-destiny-analysis or couple of the brutes in the first page of Ranking in french muxxu (like truque, Lud0 , Hello Kitty...) and you will understand exactly what i mean.

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"Flail as a 4th weapon" is also false. During fights, the weapons are drawn randomly.

it was ment as having/accepting a 4th weapon in your weapons Set, not in which Order it will get drawn in the fights. i ment the effectiveness of the flail is diffrent between the Flail as a single weapon compared to the flail along with 3 other weapons... and along with the Set of Skills and stats which isn´t perfect for the flail in your brutes case...

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"your only Goal should be searching for counter in all possible paths"
How do you know it's not my next option? or my 2nd one that takes me away from the sai? that's just empty speculation. gaurantee me it's in my destiny. yeah, oops.

"and after exploring you can pick the best path you have found, and i can asure you your current path is not the best."
Uum, no you really can't. Not even slightly.

here clearly you are missing the main point of the game "muxxu" compared to version1 "mybrute".
i can asure you that you will get a better path only because your current one is not impressively great and you can find one or 2 Skills or stat boosters (which will get offered eventually at some point in your path) which can make him much better. we tried it with many brutes and it worked with most of them.

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go figure. a german who thinks there's a perfect way to be.

bear is good but i have a net, or cry of the damned or hypnosis.

ninja is good but i have shield and frying pan and sai

many weapons are good but i have sabotgae and shock and tornado of blows (or whatever it's called now)

high STR is good but i have high speed

stone hammer sucks except with high agility for accuracy

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if, as you say, there is one perfect character, then spell it out in detail and save us pages of reading.

also, yes or no - do you have any actual knowledge of MB destiny algorythems.

also, yes or no - do you have any actual knowledge that french muxxu is the same as the US version.


you can play 100 characters but they all will have different destinys. i've seen many that are similar, but you're overstating your knowledge. i don't know why. your site doesn't even sell anything except ads. are you writing/selling a book about muxxu?
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PostSubject: Re: Weapons rating topic   Sun 02 Oct 2011, 13:16

FR Muxxu and COM Muxxu are indeed the same-- it's just translated. This is a well-known fact.

no character is "perfect", there will always be a brute with a different set of stats and skills that can beat one of those brutes.
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PostSubject: Re: Weapons rating topic   Sun 02 Oct 2011, 19:00

there is one thing that's true and I'm kind of irritated that rico said that: of course it's not possible to create the perfect brute. even if you could choose between everything the game offers you couldn't create a brute that wins every match. you could create an 80-90% brute maybe, but not more (if that high) this game is about randomness and each and every brute gets a horrible seed sometimes. I think the higher in levels we go the better you can make that brute (IF you could choose from everything every level)

maybe language barrier, misunderstanding or whatever... but playing this game for a long time of course allows people to know what's the best option for brutes when you're thinking about it shortly. (seeing the skills, weapons and stats that brute already has)

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PostSubject: Re: Weapons rating topic   Sun 02 Oct 2011, 23:34

first if you so much like your destiny, then stick to it, i am not forcing you to change it, its all just an advice.
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- if, as you say, there is one perfect character, then spell it out in detail and save us pages of reading.

- also, yes or no - do you have any actual knowledge of MB destiny algorythems.

- also, yes or no - do you have any actual knowledge that french muxxu is the same as the US version.
- yes http://labrute.muxxu.com/b/107651 , can some one with Spy post a picture of truque please , i can´t upload right now
- yes and no, every Skill, Weapon and Stat offer has diffrent percentage in a random Algorithm and with enough playing with diffrent brutes and diffrent paths it is simple to narrow these % down (but i wont write any of it here because it does not matter at all!!! as i wrote before , you would be missing the Point of the game. it has to be random and you have to risk exploring paths even if there is a chance that you might get worse destiny than your current one. otherwise it would be like playing 75% Version1 mybrute and 25% limited chances of perfection for your brute...

- yes they are exactly the same.

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go figure. a german who thinks there's a perfect way to be.
scratch Zen
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you can play 100 characters but they all will have different destinys. i've seen many that are similar, but you're overstating your knowledge. i don't know why. your site doesn't even sell anything except ads. are you writing/selling a book about muxxu?
i am just passing information i learned (regardless if i am right or wrong), nothing more. anyone can verify, acknowledge, ignore or deny them Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Weapons rating topic   Mon 03 Oct 2011, 08:20

ah okay, if you say truque is perfect we have to define our terms.

perfect for me is 100%. not awesome or very nice, nor superstrong or incredibly good.

perfect for me would mean: never loses, 100% winrate and impossible to find a brute that can compete...

that's impossible for a game like this and so in my definition there can't be a perfect brute. awesome brutes, incredibly strong brutes: yes, but not perfect...
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PostSubject: Re: Weapons rating topic   Tue 04 Oct 2011, 17:59

Hmm... my sword is being disarmed so easily... I wonder if it is this weapon "hidden stat" or my brute is responsible for that... and I was so happy to get a good weapon soon for my brute Sad
My bryte stats are:
lev 10
Health: 249
Strength: 3
Agility: 7
Speed: 2

She is trying really hard, she gets it out pretty early most fights, but almost always loses it after she gets hit 2-3 times... Its her only weapon right now


EDIT: hmm... she just got Morning Star for her levelup... I wonder if I did the right thing accepting it.???
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PostSubject: Re: Weapons rating topic   Tue 04 Oct 2011, 18:35

The Morning Star is one of the best weapons in the game IMO
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PostSubject: Re: Weapons rating topic   Tue 04 Oct 2011, 18:47

Truque : https://i46.servimg.com/u/f46/15/66/98/04/captur14.png

A new Mantis Very Happy Feeling nostalgic Subby!

The Morning Star is a very good weapon, I guess you've done the right choice.

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PostSubject: Re: Weapons rating topic   Tue 04 Oct 2011, 18:48

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The Morning Star is one of the best weapons in the game IMO

o.O
Really? Why?
*I am not disagreeing, just would like to know why is that... I never had it before (and only fought brutes who had it few times)

I cant tell because I had left only 2 fights before collapsing out of exhaustion on this brute today (and I just got Morning Star).
In these 2 fights my brute took sword early (as usual) and then hit once and throw it away to take out Morning Star.
But I didnt notice anything incredibly avesome in it?
I mean it is definitelly better than many weapons - but I would appreciate you telling me why it is the best one? I would love to get something "the best" at least for one of my brutes...

By the way - today is my lucky day. I got Morning Star on one brute and Axe on another... it is a gift for struggling many levels with no good weapon for most of brutes...


Tama... is there a reason why the brutes you posted have not much life? I am sure they are verry good, but not much life seems risky, isnt it? Like they evade a lot and dont need HP points? Because I have a few brutes that are more "livelly". I didnt think that being lev 50 - 60 it would be hard to get vitality and few endurances...???
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PostSubject: Re: Weapons rating topic   Tue 04 Oct 2011, 20:01

Morning star : very good damages, very good block, nice combo, good accuracy for an heavy weapon.

It's not he best one. IMO the best one remains the sai.

Truque has survival + increvable (dunno how they decided to translate it in english) + ballerines (the same) +2 doggies. That is to say that you need at least 9 hits to kill her. And generally, you touch the ground first because she was all about offense. She can destroy in perfect with a little bit of luck a brute who has five times her hp.

I know very well about it because she was the only one to succeed a perfect against my star : https://i46.servimg.com/u/f46/15/66/98/04/demand10.png

But I still kicked her ass more than she kicked mine. King
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PostSubject: Re: Weapons rating topic   Tue 04 Oct 2011, 20:08

But your Hello Kitty is epic in so many ways... and she looks so cute

Buuut wait... she HAS BUMPS!!!???
Does that end well for her? or is that countermeasure for thiefs... (but that is hard to plan). Axe is way better than bumps...
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