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 "Immortal sucks": True or False?

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PostSubject: "Immortal sucks": True or False?   Sun 02 Aug 2009, 23:34

When confronted with the question above, most of us would immediately answer true without a second thought, or perhaps, add the caveat that immortal brutes are good from lvl15ish to 30ish but they lose their steam afterwars and suck at higher levels. That's what I used to believe, but now I'm beggining to question this assumption.

And here's the reason why: http://nemus85.mybrute.com/cellule

Go ahead and test him in a simulator at higher levels (eg, lvl100, 150, etc) versus a brute of your choice. Let me know what you think!

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PostSubject: Re: "Immortal sucks": True or False?   Sun 02 Aug 2009, 23:42

Fair do's.

As immortals go, thats a good one.

His stats still suffer but he has good strength, good skills and a SHITLOAD of HP ... even for an immortal.

Good find.

(Edit ... I check him out at lv100)
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PostSubject: Re: "Immortal sucks": True or False?   Sun 02 Aug 2009, 23:48

I want an immortal like fotum, but I dont know if another brute like that is out there Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: "Immortal sucks": True or False?   Mon 03 Aug 2009, 00:01

Thanks for feedback guys. I'm not really sure how good of a find it is but at this point I'm very excited :)

So far I've tested him in simulator only vs. one brute (hyper agility untouchable) to get a rough idea of how good/bad he was.

Results were all in favor of immortal:

lvl 40: 10-0
lvl100: 6-4
lvl150: 8-2

Suffice to say I was really surprised as I was expecting high agi+untouchable to win...

More feedback please!

EDIT:

More results highly favourable to immortal vs. another hyper agi untouchable:

lvl 40: 6-4
lvl100: 10-0
lvl150: 9-1

EDIT 2:

3rd set of results vs. hyper strong untouchable + implacable brute not so good:

lvl 40: 7-3
lvl100: 3-7
lvl150: 4-6
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PostSubject: Re: "Immortal sucks": True or False?   Mon 03 Aug 2009, 01:26

Deffinately a very good immortal!

This brute concentrates on tanking instead of avoiding, therefore low agility is fine. He also doesn't need to rely on speed because of 6th sense and pugnatious. These two skills are critical for every immortal because they trigger a "free" counterattack.

Even if the counter gets only now and then trough, against most brutes it will be enough, since his strength is very high for an immortal. It goes hand in hand with hammer and deluge supers.
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PostSubject: Re: "Immortal sucks": True or False?   Mon 03 Aug 2009, 01:41

Thanks for feedback Wildan. Nice insight on his fight mechanics. From what I've seen in the simulated fights that's exactly what happens. He doesn't dodge at all. He simply absorbs the damage or counters via 6th sense/pugnacious. Also, of big help is tragic potion. I've seen it replenish over 600 hp at lvl150!
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PostSubject: Re: "Immortal sucks": True or False?   Mon 03 Aug 2009, 01:44

Only problem I really see with this brute is getting him to level 100.

Unless you have a super fast bot, its gonna take some work to get him high enough to reach his peak.

Other than that, stellar brute Vox cheers
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PostSubject: Re: "Immortal sucks": True or False?   Mon 03 Aug 2009, 02:12

Thanks for feedback Rob :)

Definitely. Like any other high lvl brute he definitely needs a nice bot.
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PostSubject: Re: "Immortal sucks": True or False?   Mon 03 Aug 2009, 02:25

Lol, just a couple months ago immortals
were all the rage, and everyone wanted 1.
Now people dont want nothin to do wit 'em.
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PostSubject: Re: "Immortal sucks": True or False?   Mon 03 Aug 2009, 09:45

not really
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PostSubject: Re: "Immortal sucks": True or False?   Mon 03 Aug 2009, 12:52

I actually have a very similar one on my "ones to consider" list!

HP over 1000 at lv100 (not quite as high as yours though) and strength over 40. But I think yours may have a few more skills.

I'm sticking with my original rating ... nice find! :)
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PostSubject: Re: "Immortal sucks": True or False?   Mon 03 Aug 2009, 13:02

here is mine
http://mikesin47.mybrute.com/cellule/

I do believe in some immortals....

SOme are horrible and some are quite nice

She has over 800HP @ level 45
She has most of the skills I was looking for and gets sabatoge in a few levels....

But she drew THE BRUTUX in the 16H today in the tourney, so I think her day is done
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PostSubject: Re: "Immortal sucks": True or False?   Mon 03 Aug 2009, 13:06

http://dracomugen.mybrute.com/cellule Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: "Immortal sucks": True or False?   Mon 03 Aug 2009, 13:11

http://brutetools.netii.net/english/simulateur.php?nombrutea1=mikesin47&levela1=100&nombruteb1=&levelb1=&nombrutea2=nemus85&levela2=100&nombruteb2=&levelb2=

I think the one thing that is lacking in your brute @ level 100 is sabatoge or thief.
Most others have something like that by then, and you have to go weaponless for half the fight.

we were both matched about the same HP 1200+ versus 1200+ but it came down to weps.

Nice brute though
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PostSubject: Re: "Immortal sucks": True or False?   Mon 03 Aug 2009, 17:14

Thanks for feedback guys :)

@ redneck: very nice immortal you have there and fair point. Nemus finishes most of his fights weaponless. High strength for an immortal + martial arts gets things done most of the time. However, you are absolutely correct, he would be way better having thief/sabotage.
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PostSubject: Re: "Immortal sucks": True or False?   Tue 04 Aug 2009, 16:26

immortal does suck if u dont have any other good skills
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PostSubject: Re: "Immortal sucks": True or False?   Tue 04 Aug 2009, 16:32

suxess wrote:
immortal does suck if u dont have any other good skills
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Agreed. Herculean strength being the most important skill to have imo.
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PostSubject: Re: "Immortal sucks": True or False?   Tue 04 Aug 2009, 16:33

yes indeed
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PostSubject: Re: "Immortal sucks": True or False?   Tue 04 Aug 2009, 16:56

i really hate immortal, but take a look @following Wink :

http://crator273.mybrute.com/cellule

okay, it gets immortal only @lvl 236, but will be a beast after that as well, @ any level.
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PostSubject: Re: "Immortal sucks": True or False?   Tue 04 Aug 2009, 17:00

well yeah he's very nice althouh he loses 40 strenght after lvl 236 but he's ok
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PostSubject: Re: "Immortal sucks": True or False?   Tue 04 Aug 2009, 17:59

From gaining Implacable until 236, he is the best brute i have ever seen. after 236 he is not this upper anymore but still good.
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PostSubject: Re: "Immortal sucks": True or False?   Tue 04 Aug 2009, 21:39

harpyieklein wrote:
i really hate immortal, but take a look @following Wink :

http://crator273.mybrute.com/cellule

okay, it gets immortal only @lvl 236, but will be a beast after that as well, @ any level.


Haha, crator273 is truly a beast. He's the brute than won vs. nemus85 in the 3rd set of simulated fights. Nemus did, however, keep his honor intact by beating the hyper agile brutes (dk128 and illmove14) from set 1 and 2.
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PostSubject: Re: "Immortal sucks": True or False?   Tue 04 Aug 2009, 21:51

harpyieklein wrote:
i really hate immortal, but take a look @following Wink :

http://crator273.mybrute.com/cellule

okay, it gets immortal only @lvl 236, but will be a beast after that as well, @ any level.

did u run sim fights?

at level 235 his stats are 174/78/64, then after immortal at level 236 they drop to 131/58/48... yes, immortal sucks. in case u dont wanna do the math, he lost 79 total stat points in 1 level. heres 2 fights on the same seed with both me and him at level 235(i get immortal at 136 so i already have it by this point) and then again on 236 after he gets immortal:

Combat axs115 vs crator273

Combat axs115 vs crator273
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PostSubject: Re: "Immortal sucks": True or False?   Tue 04 Aug 2009, 22:06

IMMORTAL SUCKS !!!!!!!!

because you lost stats when you get immortal
so , brute'stats are very low, sucks
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PostSubject: Re: "Immortal sucks": True or False?   Tue 04 Aug 2009, 22:07

Heres my one. Loonbot140.

Kind of similar to nemus85 .... except he has sabotage ... and thief.

Combat loonbot140 vs nemus85

Which definitely helps in an attrition match like this. Your weapons were gone long before the end of the fight .....
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