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PostSubject: 64 Man Multi-level re-draw tourney - PRIZE INFO !!! ** UPDATED **   Mon 03 Aug 2009, 19:15

Full details of the prizes for this tourney



MAIN PRIZES !!!


Rounds 1 & 2 losers - NO PRIZE!!! Evil or Very Mad

Round 3 losers - 40 minutes on my bot - approx 15 pupils :albino:

Quarter-final losers - ? hours on Luminous' bot - approx 40 pupils geek

Semi-final losers - ? hours on Luminous' bot - approx 80 pupils :joker:

Runner-up - Overnight on my bot - approx 150 pupils PLUS runner-up sig from Kahmeha :queen:

Winner - Full day on my bot - approx 400-450 pupils PLUS winners sig from Kahmeha King


BONUS PRIZES !!!

From Jammal - 20 pupils for the runner up

From dicklips7 - 50 pupils for the winner

From TraehDliw09 - 50 pupils for the runner up AND 100 pupils for the winner

From Suiseiseki - 10 pupils each for the semi final losers


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PostSubject: Re: 64 Man Multi-level re-draw tourney - PRIZE INFO !!! ** UPDATED **   Tue 04 Aug 2009, 02:30

Wow, good deal! Too bad I'm out on the 1st round. No

That's A LOT of time pupiling BTB. Let me help out with the quarter-final and semi-final losers. I should be able to do those no problem.

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PostSubject: Re: 64 Man Multi-level re-draw tourney - PRIZE INFO !!! ** UPDATED **   Tue 04 Aug 2009, 02:46

my connection issues are sorted, so i will be doing 50 extra pupils to the winner. :)
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PostSubject: Re: 64 Man Multi-level re-draw tourney - PRIZE INFO !!! ** UPDATED **   Tue 04 Aug 2009, 02:48

wahoo my names up there :) lol I'll do you one better for this one... a WINNERS TAG FOR THE WINNER AND RUNNER UP
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PostSubject: Re: 64 Man Multi-level re-draw tourney - PRIZE INFO !!! ** UPDATED **   Tue 04 Aug 2009, 03:00

i dont join mybruteforumotion tourneys anymore :) i have no chance of winning :DD
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PostSubject: Re: 64 Man Multi-level re-draw tourney - PRIZE INFO !!! ** UPDATED **   Tue 04 Aug 2009, 05:52

Zoinks! Huge prizes Bob! Suddenly feeling like the last massive tourney prize winner winners got jipped. :pirat: Haha, kidding there Lumi, and I'm out too in a big way... can't believe FnT got ousted though. I was almost certain he was gonna be one of the primary contenders. So how 'bout a pupil service discount for fellow first round losers. ;P

@rexxar - I feel your pain on this one, hehe

I don't have any pupiling set-up yet but I'm giving away ps3s and huge 1080p plasma tvs as well as dates with nympho supermodels to the people most impressively eliminated in the first round. I'll throw in my mybrute.com admin account info to anyone that has a bye the first round and still got eliminated. scratch
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PostSubject: Re: 64 Man Multi-level re-draw tourney - PRIZE INFO !!! ** UPDATED **   Tue 04 Aug 2009, 06:11

WoW very nice prizes Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: 64 Man Multi-level re-draw tourney - PRIZE INFO !!! ** UPDATED **   Tue 04 Aug 2009, 11:13

BobTheBear wrote:
Full details of the prizes for this tourney



MAIN PRIZES !!!


Rounds 1, 2 & 3 losers - NO PRIZE!!! Evil or Very Mad

Quarter-final losers - 2 hours on my bot - approx 40 pupils geek

Semi-final losers - 4 hours on my bot - approx 80 pupils :joker:

Runner-up - Overnight on my bot - approx 150 pupils :queen:

Winner - Full day on my bot - approx 400-450 pupils PLUS sig from Kahmeha King
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Why not?
Round 1: 5 minutes on your bot
Round 2: 15 minutes on your bot
Round 3: 1/2 hour on your bot

:flower: :flower: :flower:
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PostSubject: Re: 64 Man Multi-level re-draw tourney - PRIZE INFO !!! ** UPDATED **   Tue 04 Aug 2009, 11:31

Negative Zephyr wrote:
Why not?
Round 1: 5 minutes on your bot
Round 2: 15 minutes on your bot
Round 3: 1/2 hour on your bot

:flower: :flower: :flower:

Mainly becuase it means starting and stopping the bot constantly for loads of people .... which would be a pain in the ass for me and not worth a great deal to those that won them .... 5/15 mnutes would only get you a very small handful of pupils. 30 first round losers for 5 minutes each? No thanks! Way too much mucking about!

For me, it's much easier to make the top prizes very good. It's bot time so not a great effort to me (remember, running the tourney itself take s a bit of effort .... just ask Luminous! Very Happy ... so once it's all done I don't want to have to spend the next three days messing with my bot config constantly to give 30 people 3 pupils each!) .... as long as I'm not having to stop and start it constantly. Also, if the bigger prizes are good, we'll get bigger entry fields. If you don't win anything ... you can't really complain ... entry is free after all! Very Happy

They sound generous I guess but in the grand scheme of things, it's not a problem for me. I run my bot on a secondary PC all day ... every day. I'll be using one of the slots available for these prizes so the prizes will take a day or two to go out once the tourney ends. Taking 1 slot out for a day or two is OK, I can happily live with that and it makes for nice prizes for those that do make it to the end. :)
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PostSubject: Re: 64 Man Multi-level re-draw tourney - PRIZE INFO !!! ** UPDATED **   Tue 04 Aug 2009, 12:09

I can give 50 pupils for runner up and 100 pupils for winner.
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PostSubject: Re: 64 Man Multi-level re-draw tourney - PRIZE INFO !!! ** UPDATED **   Tue 04 Aug 2009, 14:59

Many thanks TraehDliw09, I have added your pupils to the BONUS prize pool!

The winner and runner up of this one are going to carry off a VERY nice little pot each! :)

With the semi and quarter finalists not doing too badly either ....

(PS ... it finally dawned on me today that your user-name is "WildHeart" backwards ..... I can't believe it took me so long to notice that! D'oh! Razz )
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PostSubject: Re: 64 Man Multi-level re-draw tourney - PRIZE INFO !!! ** UPDATED **   Tue 04 Aug 2009, 15:47

Well Bob, I could give 10 extra pupils for each semifinal losers :)
But I did them manually so maybe it'll take time...
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PostSubject: Re: 64 Man Multi-level re-draw tourney - PRIZE INFO !!! ** UPDATED **   Tue 04 Aug 2009, 15:55

i wish all man join in this tourney use them main brute, not dream brute Very Happy
the prize are not bad ^^!
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PostSubject: Re: 64 Man Multi-level re-draw tourney - PRIZE INFO !!! ** UPDATED **   Tue 04 Aug 2009, 15:56

I'm using my main it's just that... I love it Razz
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PostSubject: Re: 64 Man Multi-level re-draw tourney - PRIZE INFO !!! ** UPDATED **   Tue 04 Aug 2009, 16:27

cratiira wrote:
I'm using my main it's just that... I love it Razz
I love your main too Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: 64 Man Multi-level re-draw tourney - PRIZE INFO !!! ** UPDATED **   Tue 04 Aug 2009, 16:53

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Negative Zephyr wrote:
Why not?
Round 1: 5 minutes on your bot
Round 2: 15 minutes on your bot
Round 3: 1/2 hour on your bot

:flower: :flower: :flower:

Mainly becuase it means starting and stopping the bot constantly for loads of people .... which would be a pain in the ass for me and not worth a great deal to those that won them .... 5/15 mnutes would only get you a very small handful of pupils. 30 first round losers for 5 minutes each? No thanks! Way too much mucking about!

For me, it's much easier to make the top prizes very good. It's bot time so not a great effort to me (remember, running the tourney itself take s a bit of effort .... just ask Luminous! Very Happy ... so once it's all done I don't want to have to spend the next three days messing with my bot config constantly to give 30 people 3 pupils each!) .... as long as I'm not having to stop and start it constantly. Also, if the bigger prizes are good, we'll get bigger entry fields. If you don't win anything ... you can't really complain ... entry is free after all! Very Happy

They sound generous I guess but in the grand scheme of things, it's not a problem for me. I run my bot on a secondary PC all day ... every day. I'll be using one of the slots available for these prizes so the prizes will take a day or two to go out once the tourney ends. Taking 1 slot out for a day or two is OK, I can happily live with that and it makes for nice prizes for those that do make it to the end. :)

Agreed and understood. If you do feel like expanding the prize range in this or any future tourney (I wouldn't really want to see it expanded into the first/second round in any tourney but let's say an extra round or whatever) you could always delegate the pupil awarding duties to people donating... ie. instead of having multiple people donating pupils specifically to the winner and runner up, ask that donors/sponsors just add to the pot and if you have enough people donating smaller amounts you can ask them to split the pupils between the losers of bracket x and y or however it ends up being most convenient to delegate. If I had self-pupiling capabilities I know I wouldn't mind anteing up a small amount to split between a couple people that lost a little eariler than quarter finals but I wouldn't really think of bothering to up the already large amounts for the big winners with the aforementioned small amount. Does that make sense? It's just food for thought for anyone that's running a future tourney and anyone thinking of donating pupils to one.

Of course another fun thing that one could think to award such smaller donated pupils to is something more subjective such as minor awards for creative/silly categories like best survivor, most cruel to animals, best commentary, best comeback-artist, most likely to go postal (ahem, rexxxar Laughing ), most likely to hold on to the club too long, etc. etc. I like the fun that surrounds the tourney, watching the matches, reading the commentary... and sometimes there are things I see that I think deserve some sort of recognition so this sort of thing could be another option. Of course, these sorts of prizes would be announced after the fact and could just be done as unofficial awards if somone sees something they feel is worthy of some small reward but they should still be announced along with the technical official winners so that people will stay involved after they've been ousted as they never know when they might end up winning an honorary prize. I think that sort of thing better represents the spirit of these tournies than just pure technical matchups -> seeds -> results -> winners.

Apologies for my rambling brainstorming here. geek

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if the bigger prizes are good, we'll get bigger entry fields

Okay, this is the one part I'm not sure I agree with. Yes, bigger pots are likely to draw more people but with that comes tougher (and possibly more serious less friendly) competition and soon a certain percentage of people stop entering because they know they don't stand a chance of making it anywhere near the prize rounds and with more at stake (explained in a moment) things can get irrational/emotional and definitely less fun. I say "at stake" because, yes, it's free to enter, but people getting knocked out still tend to feel they've lost the chance at getting something and as that something grows larger so grows the effect of the feeling of losing that possibility. People don't like to lose (period). People might be a little frustrated/upset when narrowly missing out on getting a few pupils. I'm betting for lots of people that feeling grows exponentially with the size (past a certain point) of what they narrowly missed out on... and for many "narrowly" can occur way before the final round if they think they had a legitimate shot at winning some big prize if they hadn't narrowly lost a random match along the way. So with the bigger prize pot also comes more scrutiny over how the tourney is conducted which nobody spending their free time hosting one wants to deal with. Note that while I would dispute the validity of what I'm saying from a purely rational perspective, it's merely speculation on the reality of possible consequences taking into consideration how the human mind tends to work (at least as I've observered) as it's far from purely rational itself.

I don't know about the draw in terms of initial influx of people big prize pots would bring, but I feel that overall more people will keep joining and the atmosphere will remain much more fun and drama-free if the prizes are more spread around so they feel they have a shot at winning something (even if it isn't much at all) and there isn't a huge disparity between what one gets or misses out on depending on what often comes down to a single digit of a single seed.

Again, apologies for the lengthy reply to a short remark... a warning flag just shot up when I read it. None of it applies to the current tourney but rather a projected escalation of the idea itself.

In fact, I want to be extremely clear that I have no beef with the current tourney or how Bob is running it. It's his show and I think he's doing a mighty fine job especially given the unexpected doubling of the initial size of participants, lol. He's gracious enough to spend what little spare time he has doing this so whatever is most convenient for him at the moment is what's best in my eyes. I really don't want anyone to read this as even slightly judgmental. I posted this here to put in my ideas and opinions as a reponse to the brief discussion of prize structures primarily so that it might be read and considerered by anyone hosting a future tourney that will be faced with these issues in hopes that it might in someway be helpful. Well, that and typing this out beats doing stuff I probably should be doing. Wink

So in summary... yadda yadda yadda, yadda yadda make pupils - not war yadda.

Thanks for reading to anyone that actually did.

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PostSubject: Re: 64 Man Multi-level re-draw tourney - PRIZE INFO !!! ** UPDATED **   Tue 04 Aug 2009, 17:17

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PostSubject: Re: 64 Man Multi-level re-draw tourney - PRIZE INFO !!! ** UPDATED **   Tue 04 Aug 2009, 18:38

ESCGoat ..... fair points well made!

And I shall act on them!

As Luminous has very kindly agreed to do the quarter and semi final losers, I shall expand the prize pool back to 3rd round losers! Very Happy

So ....

3rd round loser will now get approx 40 minutes each on my bot (about 15-20 pupils)

Luminous - if you are going to take care of the quarter and semi final losers, can you work the timings so that the number of pupils given is about the same. 4 hours on your bot gets you a lot more pupils that 4 hours on mine does as your re-connect time is so much faster!

As long as Luminous confirms he's happy to do it this way, I'll expand the prize pool back one round.

And also ....

I did actually consider a "wooden spoon" prize, or something along those lines, for "Most humiliating first round exit" or something. But I decided against it at the last minute. Which is possibly a shame for you! (@ ESCGoat ... Very Happy ) .... but I think I will include something like this in my next one.

I enjoy the tourneys on here. I enjoyed Lumi's ones and helping out running them. I'm enjoying doing this one. Everything is free so it's all good at the end of the day. :)

When it starts becoming a chore for me, believe me, I'll stop doing it! Razz
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PostSubject: Re: 64 Man Multi-level re-draw tourney - PRIZE INFO !!! ** UPDATED **   Tue 04 Aug 2009, 19:06

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Luminous - if you are going to take care of the quarter and semi final losers, can you work the timings so that the number of pupils given is about the same. 4 hours on your bot gets you a lot more pupils that 4 hours on mine does as your re-connect time is so much faster!

As long as Luminous confirms he's happy to do it this way, I'll expand the prize pool back one round.

That's the idea. Should take me an hour to them all. If I stuck with the hours you provided, it would really mess up the prize pool. lol.

Again, these are really generous prizes by BTB considering he's already putting a lot of effort into running the tourney. Everyone participating should be grateful to have such an opportunity.

GOOD LUCK TO EVERYONE STILL IN THE RUNNING! :)

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PostSubject: Re: 64 Man Multi-level re-draw tourney - PRIZE INFO !!! ** UPDATED **   Tue 04 Aug 2009, 19:21

Sorted.

Main post updated! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: 64 Man Multi-level re-draw tourney - PRIZE INFO !!! ** UPDATED **   Wed 05 Aug 2009, 06:30

Those that made it to round 3, feel free to thank me now. Wink

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fair points well made!

And I shall act on them!

King Very good sir. (and the villagers rejoiced)

Seriously though, Bob, thanks for taking the time and reading, absorbing, replying, etc. Now if you could just teach my fiancee to say exactly what's quoted above. Wink

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I did actually consider a "wooden spoon" prize, or something along those lines, for "Most humiliating first round exit" or something. But I decided against it at the last minute. Which is possibly a shame for you! (@ ESCGoat ... Very Happy ) .... but I think I will include something like this in my next one.

Lol! Very ironic. I definitely would have been in the running for that one, hahaha. Cool deal on having that sorta thing in the next one possibly. I'm sure it'll be interesting. Also good to hear you're enjoying these and plan to do more. :)

Also props to Lumi for helping out with the pupiling and as he said, GL to those remaining!

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PostSubject: Re: 64 Man Multi-level re-draw tourney - PRIZE INFO !!! ** UPDATED **   Wed 05 Aug 2009, 08:28

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Many thanks TraehDliw09, I have added your pupils to the BONUS prize pool!

The winner and runner up of this one are going to carry off a VERY nice little pot each! :)

With the semi and quarter finalists not doing too badly either ....

(PS ... it finally dawned on me today that your user-name is "WildHeart" backwards ..... I can't believe it took me so long to notice that! D'oh! Razz )

Finally, someone to take notice! :)
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PostSubject: Re: 64 Man Multi-level re-draw tourney - PRIZE INFO !!! ** UPDATED **   Wed 05 Aug 2009, 14:34

BobTheBear wrote:
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Round 3 losers - 40 minutes on my bot - approx 15 pupils :albino: ..............

OK, thx... My brute has breached into round 3
So, minimal I'll get 15 pupils.. :flower:

Btw, Just asking...
Can we Alternate the prize??
Means The prize is given to my another brute...

If can't, then it's OK....
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PostSubject: Re: 64 Man Multi-level re-draw tourney - PRIZE INFO !!! ** UPDATED **   Wed 05 Aug 2009, 15:30

Once the tourney is finished I'll be asking if anyone would like their prize on a different brute.

But it all has to go on one brute (apart from first prize I guess which I could split in two?).
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PostSubject: Re: 64 Man Multi-level re-draw tourney - PRIZE INFO !!! ** UPDATED **   Thu 06 Aug 2009, 01:38

Please give it to http://soa-kaspar.mybrute.com/cellule

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