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PostSubject: This game is ruined   Sun 14 Feb 2010, 12:14

Hey guys,

I've looked in on this forum previously and found many interesting posts along the way. I notice that most are from people with brutes at what I would consider ridiculous levels, 200+ etc, and it appears that people are even prepared to pay money for these highly desirable brutes. I have a little team who take their place in the arena every day, my best has just reached level 24. Now I know that none of my brutes will ever reach level 200, and I believe that most other players have realised this unless they are prepared to go through the change of IP address, pupil generation and use of a bot. This is the reason that tournaments are now starting at 6h - when in the good old days 6h might actually mean the 5th fight of a tournament. Put simply, players are leaving this game in their hundreds, if not thousands, as they realise their brutes have little chance.

So what I am saying is that when there are only about 100 of you hardcore guys left, with your multiple level 438 brutal legends, there will be no fun left in it for anybody. Unless this game is radically reconstructed there will be only a few people left to play it. In my opinion brutes should either be split into two groups - those with multiple pupils and those who just level up via the arena - or they get rid of the ridiculous incentives for creating pupils. My level 24 guy has nearly 700 wins and has taken over 9 months - somebody creating thousands of pup[ils could probably achieve level 24 in a couple of days. Just doesn't seem right.

I imagine I will be ridiculed by many of the posters on this forum, maybe the moderators will join in too, but I guarantee even some of those with high-level brutes will eventually get bored of playing a game which has no skill element.
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PostSubject: Re: This game is ruined   Sun 14 Feb 2010, 12:42

you're kind of right, no question...

but the programmers didn't do well! brutes start to get interesting at level 100+, the fights of two level 400 brutes are often epic, the fights of two level 15 brutes are only boring.... many brutes receive their essential skills way after level 24 and the programmers gave us only 1 chance to achieve that: botting... if they would have planned it different from how they did, with other chances to level up and without pupils as the only possibility to gain interesting heights...

ever compared the dojo of a brute with 10000 pupils and the dojo of a brute with 50000 pupils? the are different as you get more buildings in the background... so they must have known pupils up to 100000 is possible and it will happen...
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PostSubject: Re: This game is ruined   Sun 14 Feb 2010, 12:57

At least, you will not be ridiculed by me, I completely agree with you.

I am playing 4 brutes for many months and my best is at level 27. In general, I have no chance to go further than 12th/14th on the tournament (like today happens and I've got eliminated by lvl142 at just 14th, OMG!).
As I 've already said in this forum, I will stop playing my main main brute @lvl34. I will stop the other 3 brutes I have much earlier, in less than a month since today.


wildginge, IT'S NOT ONLY YOU. What you describe is not imagination, but facts.
If anyone doesn't realise or believe that this game has been ruined and currently dying, just take a look...




http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/mybrute.com
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PostSubject: Re: This game is ruined   Sun 14 Feb 2010, 14:49

do you really think that motion-twin cares about that game or if it dies ?
no. they just build a game -> made a little advertising and thats it. if it dies -> they build a new game.
they have so many games like this and every game runs with few languages.

of course you are right but who cares tbh ?

if everyone gets bored of this game -> everyone stops playing it.
thats the way every game goes through.
and this is just a little browsergame ....

if they would reset the game and delete the pupilsystem pls tell me who would play a game where you can just do 3 fights a day and every 2 days play a tourney ?
now you can say "give us more fights"
ok lets say you can have infinite fights -> there would be a bot who would fight all the time and we were in the same situation.

again some ppl couldnt use that bot because they have a mac and its not compatible or whatever and then those would start the flame and stop the game

tourneys would be the same. you start the game. everyone else is way higher level than you and you loose @ 12h.

ok set a maximum lvl -> game will be boring after someone has 3 brutes at the highest level -> the game dies faster.

all i can say is: play the game the way it is because noone will ever change things here or stop it.
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PostSubject: Re: This game is ruined   Sun 14 Feb 2010, 14:53

vollaufdienuesse wrote:


if they would reset the game and delete the pupilsystem pls tell me who would play a game where you can just do 3 fights a day and every 2 days play a tourney ?

I would. That's what I do now. I'd imagine that a lot of the players who have left did the same. I do agree with a lot of what you say though.
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PostSubject: Re: This game is ruined   Sun 14 Feb 2010, 15:36

vollaufdienuesse, there is no need to use a bot if you do not get XP by pupiling or else or if there was a limit per day. Anyway, the game's rules aren't very wise (not at all!). There are too many ways a game like this could be interesting and fair.

Of course, I agree, it's just a game and if it dies they they build a new one. True.
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PostSubject: Re: This game is ruined   Sun 14 Feb 2010, 16:05

Well, I went to the site and did some looking myself.

1- It's for mybrute.com and I agree. But that page is for making a brute and not a brutes cell. Wonder what the stats would look like if www.*.mybrute.com.

2-The stats shown definitely show a downturn. All sites do that when started. A updated chart shows a maintaining level.

I'm not saying you are incorrect. But updated charts there don't support your theory.

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PostSubject: Re: This game is ruined   Sun 14 Feb 2010, 18:25

I strongly believe it's not a theory but obviously a fact. Most people I knew (if not all of them, for example we had a clan and nobody plays any brute now) have retired from mybrute.com with exactly the same opinion as the topic starter. I am the only one who continues (and my friends laughing with me, saying that is hopeless).

Anyway, let's wait the future.
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PostSubject: Re: This game is ruined   Sun 14 Feb 2010, 19:15

Well its easy when one is on the negative side of the deal waiting for something to fail. Especially a game, all good things come to an end. But one cannot combat that this game despite its simplicity has stayed popular for this long. Its similar in respect to 50 and 60 dollar games that end up on the 5 and 10 dollars bins after they are no longer popular. It is easy to sit there and say wait you'll see this game will end. Well considering most games do end that's a given. But as far comparing ones individual group, that is such a small piece considering the number of countries involved in this game. One persons group fizzling doesnt amount to much compared to the whole.

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PostSubject: Re: This game is ruined   Sun 14 Feb 2010, 19:54

Thing with this game, is thats it's very simple .... so it's long term appeal - to most - is not great.

It also got VERY heavy viral advertising when it first went live.

If you look at the stats for labrute.fr, they are much the same. Initial peak then tailed off into a steady stream .... albeit a much smaller one. And .fr was live long before BC came along. Yes there were bots, but level 100 was good then with browser based bots .... level 500 was a pipe dream!

How long it will survive in the longer term? Who knows. It's free ... they could pull the plug at any time.

I still enter all my lower level guys every day. I know they'll never win a tournament (even my high level ones seldom do that these days!) but it's always nice when one of them gets a lucky run and ranks up.

This is one of those ongoing discussions that there is no real right or wrong answer to really. The game is what it is, and is likely to remain so.

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PostSubject: Re: This game is ruined   Sun 14 Feb 2010, 19:58

the way I see it is everyone has three options...

1. quit

2. accept the fact that MT is not going to do anything about the botting, play your three daily arena fights, enter the tourney every second day and be eliminated before 12h every time.

3. "join the club"... set up your own BC bot or pay someone offering a service and start pupiling.


I used to be against all the botting, but had to face the fact that it wasn't going to stop and my best chance of getting any enjoyment out of this game was to start botting myself. and I have to admit the game has been a lot more fun and interesting for me having two brutes above level 200 (currently lvls 243 and 212) and a third now at lvl 111.
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PostSubject: Re: This game is ruined   Sun 14 Feb 2010, 20:47

BobTheBear wrote:
I still enter all my lower level guys every day. I know they'll never win a tournament (even my high level ones seldom do that these days!) but it's always nice when one of them gets a lucky run and ranks up.
Damn true!

That's why I have a lot of brutes which I train by hand for ages now every day. And it's really fun to see when the one with the most victories gains Vengeful Flame. Very Happy
And this at level 25, yeeeehah! :alien:
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PostSubject: Re: This game is ruined   Sun 14 Feb 2010, 20:48

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I strongly believe it's not a theory but obviously a fact.

To me that is your obvious "opinion" I'm not here just to dispute you for fun.
I've never liked "doom and gloom" I'm a positive type. Like Slap, I agree that this game will end. But what I perceive is a "Sour grapes" syndrome.

The game now has gotten away from easily obtaining the top rank without boting or an outlay of cash to get pupils. I could buy enough pupils tommarrow to raise one above 1000. But where is the fun in that. I enjoy the chance of seeing just what my brutes may do. I'll keep obtaining pupils(I'm static BTW) in small amounts just to help one along.

To me this still just a "game" to enjoy. This will someday come to it's end and I'll move on. I enjoy the interaction of this forum. Seeing and helping the new players gives me great satisfaction. And even as a MOD I have made some mistakes. That's life. Learn from them and go on.

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PostSubject: Re: This game is ruined   Sun 14 Feb 2010, 20:52

Rippraff wrote:
And it's really fun to see when the one with the most victories gains Vengeful Flame. Very Happy

Nice! Cool

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PostSubject: Re: This game is ruined   Mon 15 Feb 2010, 00:37

Thanks for all the opinions guys. I'm a little drunk and was expecting to read something a little different, shall I say. I think the best advice I can glean from all of the above is to take the game for what it is - a bit of fun. Anyway, he might not be the best but I'll persevere with my beloved northern dancer (sorry I'm not very good at this computer stuff and don't know how to do the links) and the rest of his gang. Good luck all.
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