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PostSubject: Is bumps (massue) a good weapon?   Sun 04 Jul 2010, 03:16

PERSONALLY i think it's the worst weapon. I have seen numerous fights where the player lost (including me) because of bumps. For example, Brute A is down to 5hp (no survival) and he's 1 hit away from dying. Then Brute B uses bumps on him and dodges it. Lastly, Brute A attacks Brute B and Brute B lost. However bumps is really weird though. Sometimes a player with like 20agi can keep getting hit by bumps, and player with 5agi can keep dodging it.(excluding intouchable and implacable) I have lost 2 final tournament fights because my brute used thief and stole enemy's bumps and lost =( If you see my brutes now you would NEVER see them with bumps!

heres an example: odinoux has choc, if he didnt use bumps on me he could've impacted my shuriken and beat me
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/48658435?chk=f3e0

other examples:
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/51795099?chk=f21c
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/51806959?chk=4d17
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/52190497?chk=d6e6
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/53102782?chk=d170
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/56480767?chk=fbc8
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/58991029?chk=b39a

SO, WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK OF BUMPS? IS IT WORTH GETTING OR NOT?


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PostSubject: Re: Is bumps (massue) a good weapon?   Sun 04 Jul 2010, 03:52

no way, as you wrote it is the worst weapon which you can get.
but it is very Powerfull if you have perseverant and implacable. because in this case your Opponent will get hit almost every time you attack with bumps, and as we all know , its damage is not bad at all...

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PostSubject: Re: Is bumps (massue) a good weapon?   Sun 04 Jul 2010, 07:17

If your brute can actually make a hit then Massue does a lot of damage, but it is the least accurate weapon.

One of mine had Massue and Perseverant, but still only won first tourney at Level 21.

I decided never to take Massue again, and now have a new brute at Level 8 with no weapon. She was offered Massue or agi at Level 6 and I took agi. She loses all her fights, but I am hanging on and hoping for a good weapon at the next level.
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PostSubject: Re: Is bumps (massue) a good weapon?   Wed 07 Jul 2010, 18:44

Chiming in here, I don't take massue ever. It does allow you a countering blow once in a blue moon, but you usually miss with it. It makes you easier to hit, slower, and less accurate than any other weapon, the stone hammer is just as bad but of course gives far more damage.

Caveat what Rico said as well, it becomes decent in the hands of someone with Perseverant or Implacable, but so do hammer, epee, flail, and halberd. And perseverant and implacable are no help in speeding you up or making you dodge better. I had a brute like that -- no weapons offered until 6, took the massue, got perseverant at 10 and he finally started to win, but it was a long and painful road even then. So no, don't get the massue.
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PostSubject: Re: Is bumps (massue) a good weapon?   Thu 08 Jul 2010, 07:46


Sometimes you can get really lucky with the Massue, but ONLY if you come up against one of my brutes! Grrrrr.

Sea Holly is mine :tongue:

http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/50552554?chk=82bc

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PostSubject: Re: Is bumps (massue) a good weapon?   Fri 09 Jul 2010, 03:18

A brute with Perseverant + Lots of speed + Strong weapons like massue, morning star, etc is feking DANGEROUS
But if you dont have Perseverant, massue generally sucks.
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PostSubject: Re: Is bumps (massue) a good weapon?   Fri 09 Jul 2010, 12:27

massue is the worst weapon in the game
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PostSubject: Re: Is bumps (massue) a good weapon?   Mon 12 Jul 2010, 15:41

I would agree that the massue is the worst in the game if it weren't for the existence of the fan and the keyboard. I've actually seen brutes with keyboard, perhaps they didn't know any better or couldn't translate the French word. But the good old bumps is sure a lot more common.
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PostSubject: Re: Is bumps (massue) a good weapon?   Tue 13 Jul 2010, 05:23

bumps with implacable with "speed queen" she did not miss a single hit with it in all my training and tourney fights
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/52682260?chk=7dd3
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/52631193?chk=7adc
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/52654321?chk=8e53
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/52643280?chk=11d9
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/52649564?chk=8c9a
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/52632382?chk=b792
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/52177552?chk=cc67
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/52660982?chk=1d4a

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PostSubject: Re: Is bumps (massue) a good weapon?   Tue 13 Jul 2010, 17:59

What exactly is the bonus that Implacable conveys? I mean when it offers you the choice and there's a little question mark next to it that explains the skill, what does that say? Of all the skills, I'm dying to know this one.
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PostSubject: Re: Is bumps (massue) a good weapon?   Tue 13 Jul 2010, 21:57

oh no Tee you surprized me with your question. you have tha best agi untoutchable brute in muxxu and you dont know much about your only weakness in the game lol!

here you go:
When you glue the slaps, they always reach their destination. Nobody can stop them. In any case, not your opponent.
30% chance to hit.

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PostSubject: Re: Is bumps (massue) a good weapon?   Wed 14 Jul 2010, 15:12

So it's +30%? Wow, that's not a lot -- mirror image of Intouchable actually, which gives you +30% chance to dodge. In any case, Implacable seems to be one of the rarest skills in the game, I've only seen two brutes that have it. Hypnose also seems to be super rare. Thanks Rico.

There's a lot of weaknesses to agility/intouchable, actually. Perseverant is a pain, and the knife and sai are extremely hard to dodge, I usually get hit by every attack from those weapons. (And the leek, but that's super rare.) It's a bit of help against ninja stars but I still get owned by those, I'll get hit by 5/10 instead of 9/10. Net of course makes you a sitting duck, deluge/bombe/marteau-pilon are undodgeable, and bears rarely miss me. Not only that, but my primary weapon, epee, makes me slightly easier to hit and a bit slower as well.

All that aside, Intouchable is still an awesome skill to have with high agility, and you bet I keep it in my destiny even though it doesn't appear until level 12.
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PostSubject: Re: Is bumps (massue) a good weapon?   Mon 19 Jul 2010, 02:26

feline agility + untouchable brute loses because he equips bumps:
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/55157327?chk=e732
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PostSubject: Re: Is bumps (massue) a good weapon?   Fri 21 Jan 2011, 14:56

ok this thread is a bit old, but i just saw a fight that made me wonder more about the club "bumps" + high Agility
i personly never saw the club successfully attacking multiple Hits per round.
and i have this untoutchable with 42 Agi + club and even with tornado and that much Agi i never saw him attacking multi hits with it.
and today at lvl21 he got +3 Agi and made his total 46 Agi and right after that he did this
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/135280818?chk=ba4f

now the question is, why??? could this be a bug???



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PostSubject: Re: Is bumps (massue) a good weapon?   Fri 21 Jan 2011, 16:14

Amazing, I thought Kitty was the only one able to give 3 hits with the club, and thanks to the persev bug.

I don't think it's a bug but it's rare. Like when I hit an untouch/feline 40 agi with my club when I have 1 in agi^^. (at least)
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PostSubject: Re: Is bumps (massue) a good weapon?   Fri 21 Jan 2011, 17:40

You must be talkin' bout me, ain't no one else here untouchable with 40 agi! :)

I've never seen multiple hits with the massue without perseverant either, but I guess there's a first time for everything. He does have tornado and tons of agi.
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PostSubject: Re: Is bumps (massue) a good weapon?   Sat 22 Jan 2011, 06:30

jep with perseverant it is kind of understandable but without it it is very strange.
he did it again today
http://labrute.muxxu.com/fight/135621305?chk=d575
too bad he doesn´t have stone hammer, it hardly miss with such high Agi and makes double the damage Sad
and too bad punchdrunk doesn´t have Thief to steal it from kitty Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Is bumps (massue) a good weapon?   Sat 29 Jan 2011, 19:44

Teethymo wrote:
You must be talkin' bout me, ain't no one else here untouchable with 40 agi! :)

I've never seen multiple hits with the massue without perseverant either, but I guess there's a first time for everything. He does have tornado and tons of agi.

You forgot punch wannabe, abrakour Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Is bumps (massue) a good weapon?   Sun 30 Jan 2011, 18:20

the fan is the worst weapon. It takes 40 hits to do what bumps does with one hit, although I never will take either again...I have a 28th level(Koby629) that gets beat every single stinking tourney in the 2nd or 3rd round because of "eventail", and his stats are str 20, agi 14, and speed 39. He also has flail which he only seems to pull out against 15th and below opponents and stone hammer, which he only pulls against brutes with super agility...
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PostSubject: Re: Is bumps (massue) a good weapon?   Sun 30 Jan 2011, 21:02

my view is that bumps is worst but raquet is second worst because u dont do much damage, yea it has a blocking percentage, but the brute has such a high chance of throwning it at the other opponent then to keep using it Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Is bumps (massue) a good weapon?   Sun 30 Jan 2011, 22:23

Darkervictory wrote:
my view is that bumps is worst but raquet is second worst because u dont do much damage, yea it has a blocking percentage, but the brute has such a high chance of throwning it at the other opponent then to keep using it Sad
true bumps is the worst, then the fan comes next then the raquet , but the raquet has a crazy blocking rate. i am monitoring one of my brutes with it + shield. almost nothing can penetrate this combo (as long as it is blockable) but the throwing part is not allways true. i just noticed the more speed you have compared to the speed of the opponent the faster the raquet gets thrown.




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